Fanblogs.com: Where will Tim Tebow minister to Carl Johnson?
4cornerz
· 9 months ago
Wow. I am first. Well after the Troy game.
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
Well TE, there you go again.
It's a bit premature to start flinging aspersions about Johnson. His ex-girlfriend got a temporary restraining order against him, which requires only the testimony of the accuser. In this case, Carl Johnson was not even present when the judge issued the order. It's worth noting that I could get a temporary restraining order tomorrow against you, TE.
He was arrested for violating this restraining order, which was an admittedly stupid thing to do, but this is a misdemeanor. The other two ex-Gators you noted were charged with felonies and Meyer immediately booted them from the team.
At this point, all we have is the accusations of an ex-girlfriend. If the accusation turn out to be true, he's certainly a felon and should be booted from the team and straight into Starke (the appropriately named location of Florida's state penitentiary, conveniently located near Gainesville). Also, if the accusations are true, I think you are correct in asserting that Meyer has a problem, but it's a bigger problem than deciding who will be protecting Saint Tebow's blind-side next season. How will he explain three felony arrests from his team in two months and what will he do to correct the situation?
I have to be skeptical based only on the accuser's accounting of events. She claimed that he date raped her three times over a span of several months. I'm not an expert on the female mind, but I'm really left wondering why she went back to him twice after being date raped.
I'm really hoping this story proves false. Either Carl Johnson, his ex-girlfriend, or both of them should spend time in the big house for this mess.
OU_Ron
· 9 months ago
LMAO RG, you may ahve just gave Bleed Crimson an idea......a temp restraining order against TE...
Clemson_Joe
· 9 months ago
"At this point, all we have is the accusations of an ex-girlfriend" I'm sure that none of us have any ex-girlfriends that might be crazy enough to make something up about us, right?
"I'm not an expert on the female mind... Is anyone? If they are, they need to come out of hiding. Imagine the fortune that could made with that kind of knowledge.
TigerEducated
· 9 months ago
If this were some psycho ex-girlfriend, then Johnson should've fought the first restraining order, and/or filed libel charges against her, or public defamation of character charges against her in order to clear his good name.
That he didn't protest tells me:
1.) Carl Johnson's not a smart feller (But hey...He's smarter than any LSU player, since your academic requirements are "much tougher")
2.) He doesn't care (In which case, see #1)
Either way, don't try putting any lipstick on that pig, RG...
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
I'm not putting lipstick on a pig, TE - but I am trying to put a dose of reality on your article which is filled with fantasy and innuendo while remaining very limited on facts. (As always, you remain among my favorite writers of fiction, especially when the subject is the Gators.) Please read the last paragraph of my first post as evidence for my concern.
Frankly, I don't know why Carl hasn't offered a defense yet and if you're being honest and factual, neither do you. I suppose in TE-WORLD we need only hear from the prosecution and if the defense does not immediately shout their innocence, OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
I like the way you placed quotes around "much tougher" as though you are asserting that I had ever stated this. More great fiction from TE!!
Mr2Bits
· 9 months ago
He was arrested for violating this restraining order, which was an admittedly stupid thing to do, but this is a misdemeanor. The other two ex-Gators you noted were charged with felonies and Meyer immediately booted them from the team.
Also note, he violated this order when he rode the same bus as her to class....not really the pin her in the corner at the party violation you would think.
Also, isn't this story like a week and half old? TE...couldn't find the words to make it mold together?
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
Writing fiction is a slow and deliberate process. :-)
TampaGator
· 9 months ago
"...He was arrested for violating this restraining order, which was an admittedly stupid thing to do, but this is a misdemeanor...."
vs.
"....At this point, all we have is the accusations of an ex-girlfriend. If the accusation turn out to be true, he's certainly a felon and should be booted from the team and straight into Starke..."
Alright RG, you got me here. How'd we go from a misdemeanor to felony in a matter of 2 paragraphs? Are you suggesting that he's accused of a misdemeanor, but if he's convicted, then he's guilty of a felony?
I don't think that's how it works....but hey....what do I know?
GO GATORS!!
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
Johnson was arrested for a misdemeanor - violating a temporary restraining order.
In order to obtain a temporary restraining order, his ex-girlfriend accused Johnson of several felonies, including rape, which is - at this point - heresay.
Does this make sense now?
TampaGator
· 9 months ago
Where are you getting the "...accused Johnson of several felonies..." thing? I don't see it in TE's article, nor the article linked in it. Besides, as you pointed out, anyone can allege most anything to get an injunction--there's very little scrutiny at that level.
Violating an injunction is a crime unto itself, and as far as I know, the only one which CJ is facing--and violating of an inj'n has virtually nothing to do with the underlying allegations of the inj'n--it's a species of contempt. In fact, the injunction could be thrown out completely, and CG would STILL have to answer for the violation.
Conversely, he could be exonerated of the violation charge, while challenging and losing the injunction....and regardless what is alleged in the injunction, he would only have an injunction against him--no convictions--since the burden of proof is so much lighter (preponderence of the evidence vs. "beyond a resonable doubt" for criminal charges).
I just don't see a felony here.
Maybe it's just me.
GO GATORS!!
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
Where are you getting the "...accused Johnson of several felonies..." thing?
In a petition to obtain a temporary restraining order against Florida offensive lineman Carl Johnnson last week, a former girlfriend claims Johnson date-raped her on three occasions last fall and physically and emotionally abused her for months.
FWIW, I agree with the rest of what you wrote. The burden of proof for a temporary restraining order is incredibly low. My TRO against TE is currently pending. ;-)
As I stated previously, she may have just made the whole thing up and given that she returned to a fellow who presumptively raped her twice, I'm more likely to believe his version of events at this point than hers. Still, I will side with TE on a couple of elements here. CJ has thus far remained very quiet and his judgement must be called into question for his behavior. Doesn't mean he is necessarily guilty of any felonies. Heck, I dated a few "mistakes" back in my single days.
TampaGator
· 9 months ago
Gotcha'.
Let me know when you get that injunction against TE---I'll try to bait him into violating. Maybe a few days in the pokey will harness something resembling appreciation for that pesky little nuissance we like to call "due process."
GO GATORS!!
TigerEducated
· 9 months ago
You guys make me long for tort reform :)
TampaGator
· 9 months ago
I used to be all for tort reform; now, I'm not really impressed. FLA reformed its tort laws several years ago, capping med/mal damages, creating several obstacles for plaintiffs, etc.
What have we seen as a result?
Health ins. premiums continue to escalate at a brisk pace (if not skyrocket);
Doctors still jumping ship like the Pied Piper's mice--especially OBGYN's and surgeons (i.e.--shortage of physicians);
Health care costs continue to escalate;
The attorney section in the yeller pages remains the fattest section in the book, with plaintiff's lawyers on the covers (front & back), the spine, magnets, stickers, page tabs, etc. not to mention TV ads, radio, billboards, and on and on....;
In other words, tort reform seems to have made things worse; perhaps in its best possible interpretation, it simply slowed down the rate of deterioration of matters, which begs that age old, perpetually, intellectually-provocative question:
WTF???
...and that my friend, i's exactly why I think Carl Johnson is completely innocent of any wrong doing whatsoever.
GO GATORS!!
TampaGator
· 9 months ago
Gentlemen:
In my completely objective, unbiased, neutral, quasi-professional assessment of this matter...
I think the b*tch is f***ing nuts!!!
Naturally others may disagree with this perspective, and to those of you who would do so, all I have to say is:
You're f***k'n nuts too!
(Though I mean this with nothing but the utmost respect).
GO GATORS!!
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 9 months ago
I believe the standard plea is Bitch Set Me Up, as opposed to Bitch is F***ing Nuts.
I'm not an attorney, however, and am not rendering legal advice. Please consult the services of a qualified professional.
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
The term "F***ing Nuts" is a bona fide legal term. It is Latin for crazy for unlawful carnal knowledge and current legal precedent was established in the case of OJ vs. Dat Bee-yotch
I am not an attorney, but I play one on TV.
Zac
· 9 months ago
I'm not amused by any of this. On one side of the coin we have a young man accused of rape; on the other a young woman who has allegedly been raped. There can be only three possibilities. It's all true; none of it's true; only part of it's true. Either way, no matter how it all comes out, if he's acquitted, if he's proven guilty (should it come to that) there well always be a question. It's lose/lose for both of these kids. Sad.
I must admit, I can't help but be suspicious. As already asked, why go back to the guy TWICE, especially after the 1st alleged occurrence? Then, there's his violation of the TRO. Now, did I get this right? He violated it when he got onto the same bus she happened to be on? U make the call. Is it coincidence or stalking? For my part, when I was in college, I can't tell you how many busses I got on, and could have told you who was on their before boarding. I'm not psychic; doubtless neither is he.
Until witnesses and evidence are brought to bear (Hospital records anyone?), it's anyone guess.
Mr2Bits
· 9 months ago
Zac, What stinks is by law if a woman is intoxicated, agrees to sex and the next day regrets it, she can say she was raped.
Now you ask, how do you avoid this? You have to have her sign a waiver that shows she agrees to the sex and is in not inebriated(even though she may be). This has to be signed before you start kernal angus or play just the tip.
Now that I think about it, this is how I see how this situation played out. Carl may have gotten a little too freaky on their first encounter(i.e the shocker or the angry pirate) and it kinda took her by surprise. She went back two other times to test it again because she wasn't sure about it. It hurts allot but she was oddly pleasured by such a foul gesture. This young lady couldn't come to terms with the idea that she had o-lineman mitts up the old dirt road. After three mudding trips, she decided that the freakiness wasn't for her and decided to get the restraining order due to Carl flashing the shocker symbol to her at her sorority house when he brought her flowers.
Fast forward : Poor Carl gets on a bus to head to Organic Chemistry and is studying up for his first exam. Carl smashed his ring finger in his apple red Chevy on 22's the night before so he has the trainers wrap the finger in a bent position. He is on the bus reading and simply holding the book. The lady in the back of the bus, sees the shocker symbol again and flips out. This is when she calls the police.
That’s how I see how this happened. A big misunderstanding
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
Okay, I've heard of Dirty Sanchez. I've heard of Rusty Trombone. I've even heard of Lucky Pierre, though I don't know anyone who has ever done it. But Shocker and Angry Pirate are new terms for me.
I think I need to buy a vowel.
Mr2Bits
· 9 months ago
Shocker is a well known term. Wrap your thumb around your ring finer which leaves you with 2 fingers(middle finger and index) and your pinkie. 2V1 can be rotated both ways.
Angry pirate us when you kick her in the shin and place an undisclosed substance in her eye. Shes hoping around on one foot and has her hand over her eye say arhhhhhh arhhhhhhh damn you.
You get the point and this has gone wayy to far. I need to go to church now.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 9 months ago
You'd have a hard time substantiating a rape charge with me on the jury if you went back to the well TWICE...
Porcine
· 9 months ago
Maybe the well was dry?
gatorhippy
· 9 months ago
In all seriousness, this is the Gators third arrest/incident since their BCS National Title, as they already released a Defensive Back, as well as backup QB Cam Newton transferred due to Dell's "Five Finger Discount" Laptop Procurement Program...
Actually, this is the first Gator arrest since winning the BCS MNC....
Newton and the Hogtown Strangler were arrested during the season well before UF even made their case for the BCS game...
Ramblin' Gator
· 9 months ago
Update: the charges against Carl Johnson have been dismissed and his ex-girlfriend will not pursue other charges:
All Comments
It's a bit premature to start flinging aspersions about Johnson. His ex-girlfriend got a temporary restraining order against him, which requires only the testimony of the accuser. In this case, Carl Johnson was not even present when the judge issued the order. It's worth noting that I could get a temporary restraining order tomorrow against you, TE.
He was arrested for violating this restraining order, which was an admittedly stupid thing to do, but this is a misdemeanor. The other two ex-Gators you noted were charged with felonies and Meyer immediately booted them from the team.
At this point, all we have is the accusations of an ex-girlfriend. If the accusation turn out to be true, he's certainly a felon and should be booted from the team and straight into Starke (the appropriately named location of Florida's state penitentiary, conveniently located near Gainesville). Also, if the accusations are true, I think you are correct in asserting that Meyer has a problem, but it's a bigger problem than deciding who will be protecting Saint Tebow's blind-side next season. How will he explain three felony arrests from his team in two months and what will he do to correct the situation?
I have to be skeptical based only on the accuser's accounting of events. She claimed that he date raped her three times over a span of several months. I'm not an expert on the female mind, but I'm really left wondering why she went back to him twice after being date raped.
I'm really hoping this story proves false. Either Carl Johnson, his ex-girlfriend, or both of them should spend time in the big house for this mess.
I'm sure that none of us have any ex-girlfriends that might be crazy enough to make something up about us, right?
"I'm not an expert on the female mind...
Is anyone? If they are, they need to come out of hiding. Imagine the fortune that could made with that kind of knowledge.
That he didn't protest tells me:
1.) Carl Johnson's not a smart feller (But hey...He's smarter than any LSU player, since your academic requirements are "much tougher")
2.) He doesn't care (In which case, see #1)
Either way, don't try putting any lipstick on that pig, RG...
Frankly, I don't know why Carl hasn't offered a defense yet and if you're being honest and factual, neither do you. I suppose in TE-WORLD we need only hear from the prosecution and if the defense does not immediately shout their innocence, OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
I like the way you placed quotes around "much tougher" as though you are asserting that I had ever stated this. More great fiction from TE!!
Also note, he violated this order when he rode the same bus as her to class....not really the pin her in the corner at the party violation you would think.
Also, isn't this story like a week and half old? TE...couldn't find the words to make it mold together?
vs.
"....At this point, all we have is the accusations of an ex-girlfriend. If the accusation turn out to be true, he's certainly a felon and should be booted from the team and straight into Starke..."
Alright RG, you got me here. How'd we go from a misdemeanor to felony in a matter of 2 paragraphs? Are you suggesting that he's accused of a misdemeanor, but if he's convicted, then he's guilty of a felony?
I don't think that's how it works....but hey....what do I know?
GO GATORS!!
In order to obtain a temporary restraining order, his ex-girlfriend accused Johnson of several felonies, including rape, which is - at this point - heresay.
Does this make sense now?
Violating an injunction is a crime unto itself, and as far as I know, the only one which CJ is facing--and violating of an inj'n has virtually nothing to do with the underlying allegations of the inj'n--it's a species of contempt. In fact, the injunction could be thrown out completely, and CG would STILL have to answer for the violation.
Conversely, he could be exonerated of the violation charge, while challenging and losing the injunction....and regardless what is alleged in the injunction, he would only have an injunction against him--no convictions--since the burden of proof is so much lighter (preponderence of the evidence vs. "beyond a resonable doubt" for criminal charges).
I just don't see a felony here.
Maybe it's just me.
GO GATORS!!
Go it right here...
Lineman accused of date rape
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090217/ART...
In a petition to obtain a temporary restraining order against Florida offensive lineman Carl Johnnson last week, a former girlfriend claims Johnson date-raped her on three occasions last fall and physically and emotionally abused her for months.
FWIW, I agree with the rest of what you wrote. The burden of proof for a temporary restraining order is incredibly low. My TRO against TE is currently pending. ;-)
As I stated previously, she may have just made the whole thing up and given that she returned to a fellow who presumptively raped her twice, I'm more likely to believe his version of events at this point than hers. Still, I will side with TE on a couple of elements here. CJ has thus far remained very quiet and his judgement must be called into question for his behavior. Doesn't mean he is necessarily guilty of any felonies. Heck, I dated a few "mistakes" back in my single days.
Let me know when you get that injunction against TE---I'll try to bait him into violating. Maybe a few days in the pokey will harness something resembling appreciation for that pesky little nuissance we like to call "due process."
GO GATORS!!
What have we seen as a result?
Health ins. premiums continue to escalate at a brisk pace (if not skyrocket);
Doctors still jumping ship like the Pied Piper's mice--especially OBGYN's and surgeons (i.e.--shortage of physicians);
Health care costs continue to escalate;
The attorney section in the yeller pages remains the fattest section in the book, with plaintiff's lawyers on the covers (front & back), the spine, magnets, stickers, page tabs, etc. not to mention TV ads, radio, billboards, and on and on....;
In other words, tort reform seems to have made things worse; perhaps in its best possible interpretation, it simply slowed down the rate of deterioration of matters, which begs that age old, perpetually, intellectually-provocative question:
WTF???
...and that my friend, i's exactly why I think Carl Johnson is completely innocent of any wrong doing whatsoever.
GO GATORS!!
In my completely objective, unbiased, neutral, quasi-professional assessment of this matter...
I think the b*tch is f***ing nuts!!!
Naturally others may disagree with this perspective, and to those of you who would do so, all I have to say is:
You're f***k'n nuts too!
(Though I mean this with nothing but the utmost respect).
GO GATORS!!
I'm not an attorney, however, and am not rendering legal advice. Please consult the services of a qualified professional.
I am not an attorney, but I play one on TV.
I must admit, I can't help but be suspicious. As already asked, why go back to the guy TWICE, especially after the 1st alleged occurrence? Then, there's his violation of the TRO. Now, did I get this right? He violated it when he got onto the same bus she happened to be on? U make the call. Is it coincidence or stalking? For my part, when I was in college, I can't tell you how many busses I got on, and could have told you who was on their before boarding. I'm not psychic; doubtless neither is he.
Until witnesses and evidence are brought to bear (Hospital records anyone?), it's anyone guess.
What stinks is by law if a woman is intoxicated, agrees to sex and the next day regrets it, she can say she was raped.
Now you ask, how do you avoid this? You have to have her sign a waiver that shows she agrees to the sex and is in not inebriated(even though she may be). This has to be signed before you start kernal angus or play just the tip.
Now that I think about it, this is how I see how this situation played out.
Carl may have gotten a little too freaky on their first encounter(i.e the shocker or the angry pirate) and it kinda took her by surprise. She went back two other times to test it again because she wasn't sure about it. It hurts allot but she was oddly pleasured by such a foul gesture. This young lady couldn't come to terms with the idea that she had o-lineman mitts up the old dirt road. After three mudding trips, she decided that the freakiness wasn't for her and decided to get the restraining order due to Carl flashing the shocker symbol to her at her sorority house when he brought her flowers.
Fast forward : Poor Carl gets on a bus to head to Organic Chemistry and is studying up for his first exam. Carl smashed his ring finger in his apple red Chevy on 22's the night before so he has the trainers wrap the finger in a bent position. He is on the bus reading and simply holding the book. The lady in the back of the bus, sees the shocker symbol again and flips out. This is when she calls the police.
That’s how I see how this happened. A big misunderstanding
I think I need to buy a vowel.
Angry pirate us when you kick her in the shin and place an undisclosed substance in her eye. Shes hoping around on one foot and has her hand over her eye say arhhhhhh arhhhhhhh damn you.
You get the point and this has gone wayy to far. I need to go to church now.
Actually, this is the first Gator arrest since winning the BCS MNC....
Newton and the Hogtown Strangler were arrested during the season well before UF even made their case for the BCS game...
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090309/ART...
I suppose I can stop "polishing the turd" now too. ;-)