Fanblogs.com: Which BCS teams live any one, anywhere, any time?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
No surprise with that SEC. They only schedule bottom feeders from the other conferences. That's because they're conference is "so tough". Problem is: we'll never be able to find out how tough they are because they will never play anybody who is.
JB
· 1 year ago
Ummmm yea..not to get the conference war started but (not saying our teams are any better) but the SEC is the toughest conference to win....going out and scheduling 4 non confernce BCS opponents is suicide.......you might lose a couple, first of all........then you have to play a conferenc sched. that includes UGA UF Auburn and AL? (just naming LSU's con. toughies)....it doesnt make since ...and its not like the SEC has anything to prove ...they have proven that the best of the SEC is better than the best of the rest.......
once again, not saying all of our teams are better or that it is a better top to bottom conference (though i think it is the case)......just saying that the SEC is more competitive internally than the other BCS conferences, which forces them to sched crappy teams to make up for one or two assumed conf. losses
did anyone follow, i was all over the place with this one... ;-]
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Given the ACC's record the last two seasons, it's really hard to make the case that running the gauntlet is worth it.
Let's not go down the SEC degree of difficulty argument, unless you really believe it is part and parcel to why **some** SEC teams schedule BCS OOC and others do not. For better or for worse, UF has FSU every season and UM this year. Tennessee seems to make a regular date with the Pac10. USC gets Clemson. Georgia gets Georgia Tech. Not sure what goes on with the others, but...
JB
· 1 year ago
LSU usually throws in one BCS team a yr.....Va Tech in 07 ASU in 05 and ARIZ in 03,04,06 (dont quote me on the dates) and have WASH coming up in 09, 10 and COLO to follw.....this years dismal schedule is tributed to TTU's fear of playing a home and home for this year and 2013
Regan
· 1 year ago
I keep track of OOC schedules for both the ACC & SEC each year:
vs. FBS Ind. (5x): BC/ND, WF/NAVY, DUKE/NAVY, UNC/ND, VT/WKU
vs. C-USA (5x): BC/UCF, MIA/UCF, NCSU/ECU, UVA/ECU, VT/ECU
vs. MAC (2x): BC/KENT, MARY/EMCH
vs. Sun Belt (1x): MARY/MTSU
vs. FCS (10x)
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
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PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
The mystic that the SEC is the full of the best college football teams in the world is a false impression. The SEC's record vs BCS conference teams is barely .500. That is not what I call dominance.
Like I've said before, come to Ann Arbor, Columbus or Wisconsin in November and win. Or go to USC in September and then tell me how "dominant" the SEC is.
John
· 1 year ago
Your a retard.....SEC CRUSHED (repeat CRUSHED) Ohio St. the last couple years. And dont even begin to say Michigan is worth the toilet paper I whipe my a$$ with and they are probably the second best ten in the crap conference that is the Big 10.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Oh, is this the same SEC that Michigan has a 20-5-1 record against?? Wow, that is sure dominance vs Michigan by SEC teams. And most of those were in bowl games where they favored SEC style of play. Come to Ann Arbor in November and we'll see what the SEC speed can do in driving rain with 35 degree weather, you know, real football. Here are some highlights:
1/1/2008 vs. Florida (9-4) W 41 35 @ Orlando, FL Capital One Bowl 9/2/2006 vs. Vanderbilt (4-8) W 27 7 1/1/2003 vs. Florida (8-5) W 38 30 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl 1/1/2002 vs. Tennessee (11-2) L 17 45 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl 1/1/2001 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 31 28 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl 1/1/2000 vs. Alabama (10-3) W 35 34 @ Miami, FL Orange Bowl 1/1/1999 vs. Arkansas (9-3) W 45 31 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl 1/1/1997 vs. Alabama (10-3) L 14 17 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl 1/1/1991 vs. Mississippi (9-3) W 35 3 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl 1/2/1988 vs. Alabama (7-5) W 28 24 @ Tampa, FL Hall of Fame Bowl 1/2/1984 vs. Auburn (11-1) L 7 9 @ New Orleans, LA Sugar Bowl
PS. I dont care what you did to Ohio State
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
I suspect you have identified part of the B10's post-season problem. They tend to treat wintery weather as an ally. Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you much in the bowl games which are mostly in the south, the west, or held indoors. This was also a problem for the Buffalo Bills in the 90s.
You may not care what was done to Ohio State, but if the Buckeyes beat your team and make it to the BCSCG, it does kinda matter. :-)
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Uh... Michigan vs Florida in Orlando or Tampa is home field for the Gators, no question about that. I was at that game and it DEFINATELY favored the Gators.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Topic of discussion = SEC and B10, not Michigan and UF. You have found some nice anecdotal examples to support your view, but the data for the complete conference story suggests otherwise.
grcunning
· 1 year ago
OSU playing LSU in Louisiana Mi playing Fl in Fl Ill playing Southern Cal in Southern Cal PSU playing Texas A&M in Texas
This is not anecdotal. The post season is COMPLETELY biased toward warm weather teams.
"Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you in the bowl games" Are you stoned or something???? That is one of the most ridiculous and absurd things I have read on this site. You would have us believe that home field doesn't matter in the south? Let me clue you in...HOME FIELD MATTERS to every team in the country. Home field matters in peewee football. home field matters in high school. home field matters in college...period
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
Either you are not reading my post or you're being really obtuse. In fact, you are making my point for me.
The post season is COMPLETELY biased toward warm weather teams.
My point exactly! Thanks for agreeing with me while not realizing that you have agreed with me.
grcunning
· 1 year ago
what, you didn't say "Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you much in the bowl games which are mostly in the south, the west, or held indoors"?
And I don't think that only northern teams treat home weather as an ally.. 85 degrees with 95% humidity at Christmastime is just an important ally to southern teams.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
First, I'd like to suggest you calm down a bit. You seem to be hell-bent for an argument where in actuality you are agreeing with me. Just read what I wrote without getting your panties in a wad (my new favorite expression!):
Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you much in the bowl games which are mostly in the south, the west, or held indoors.
YES!! EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!! NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!! NOBODY IS SAYING THAT SOUTHERN TEAMS DON'T HAVE A HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!!
My point is that northern teams take advantage of the natural, late-season edge they get from the weather, just like southern teams have an advantage in the early season. The difference is, northern teams have less time to adjust and seem to become complacent about their weather advantage when bowl season comes and their advantage is gone.
I noticed this in the 90s when the Buffalo Bills regularly made the playoffs and then always seemed to lose the first time they had a playoff game that was either in the south or indoors.
Now take a chill-pill, GR!
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
I like Michigan's home field advantage, especially on opening week.
Rob
· 1 year ago
So your 2-1 against Bama, 1-1 against Barn, 0-1 against Tenn, 1-0 against UF, 2-0 against Arky, and 1-0 against Miss....
Arky and Miss had all on-conference losses, UM has 5 total losses against the SEC.....If I remeber correctly 8-10 legit MODERN wins against the SEC....and then a bunch of wins of Vandy and I think Kentucky before the SEC ever existed.....back in the days BEFORE the foward pass.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
Uh, we are 2-0 vs Florida(2003, 2007) and we are 20-5-1 vs the SEC all-time. And as i remember it correct...isnt the SEC relatively young? I dont think the SEC is even 30 years old.
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Hate to butt in, but the SEC just celebrated its 75th anniversary. (The current line-up with SC and Arkansas is less than 20 years old, however.) You might get eaten alive for making such an off-base comment. Just a heads up.
I find Wikipedia to be a useful tool when I am unsure about something.
JB
· 1 year ago
OK...come to Baton Rouge, Knoxville, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Colombia,or Athens and win at any point in the year (no particular order btw)......and how can the SEC not be dominant 4 natl championship in BCS era, including 3 of the last 5................................how many conferences have explosive records versus any OOC BCS conference????? and no one is saying that the teams are better, just that the confernce is tougher to win and obviously, somewhat better in the BCS bowls
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Winning in Columbia has been quite difficult for my Tigers over the years. We might as well put the Tiger Paw on the side of the building.
joeanybody
· 1 year ago
I followed, however, I don't think the SEC is as strong this year as it has been in the past. By the numbers, the Big 12 is better by a fraction of a point. Although with Kansas' loss last night to South Florida that might change.
JB
· 1 year ago
this is true except for now the SEC has 5 teams in the top 10, but that will have to change as they start conference play this weekend
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Arizona State's a bottom feeder of your conference? Virginia Tech didn't win the ACC last year? Texas Tech (who backed out on us) is a bottom feeder of the Big XII? Those were all opponents we have scheduled, played in the last three years, or tried to play this year, but backed out...Sounds like a bunch of creampuffs...
Kentucky plays Louisville, Florida plays Miami & FSU, UGA plays Arizona State this year, Arkansas plays Texas, Alabama played Clemson (& FSU last year), Tennessee plays UCLA & Cal....
Sounds like a conference completely unafraid to play tough teams...
VT went 11-3 last year and went to a BCS Game and won the ACC...and we hung 48 on them...Could you smell how scared we were?
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Exactly. The SEC (or at least a good number of them) have seen the light, in my opinion.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
I also think that we can't account for teams backing out on us...VT did that two years in a row, and we were also inconvenienced in '05 (and again this year) by Hurricanes!
Texas Tech also backed out on us this year...
We are trying to do home-and-homes with everyone...and have been since the Saban Era...We've played a PAC-10 team almost every single year since 2003...and we've tried to do ACC games, and Big XII (Texas & Texas A&M flatly refuse us, consistently) as well...
JB
· 1 year ago
all SEC play at least one Non Confernce BCS team execpt for LSU ....who got backed out on by a pansy TTU who realized they wouldnt be able to hang 70 pts on the tigers (which forced them to realize they might have to play defense!!!!!!!!)
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
TE:
Your like a bowling pin, dude. No matter how many times I knock your ass down - they just keep settin' you back up. You related to Tex Cobb by chance? Did you read the list? Your not on it. I'm sorry, you guys have a tremendous knack for playing teams in "down years". Yes, I consider Arizona State a bottom feeder. What do you think they are? Good? Can't remember when they beat us last. They got close once. But, I think we've beaten them about 29 of the last 30 times. What do you think I think? Oh, I'm terrified of Arizona State. Not gonna happen. Why don't you try Texas? Dude, I am not impressed with a cupcake win over Ohio State. If the Trojans lose to Ohio State this week - then you will have made me into a believer. Until then, just beat one good OOC opponent. ACC teams don't count.
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
So what you're telling me is that your win over Virginia two weeks ago doesn't count...and while we're on that subject, we should invalidate all of your recent victories over Notre Dame?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
TE:
On this one you are correct. Wins over Virginia and Notre Dame do not count.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
The SEC has to play teams they think they can beat to keep up their image as "God's gift to College Football", otherwise their billon dollar TV contract would look silly if their top teams like Florida would lose to teams like Michigan...oops.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
You have the wrong idea here, PM. The SEC contract is all about fans and advertising dollars, not (easy) wins. If you think I'm wrong, please check into Notre Dame's recent contract renewal with NBC.
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
No, thats EXACTLY what I'm saying. If the SEC havent had the mystic of being a dominant conference, they would NEVER have gotten such a big contract. There is NO way Florida or Alabama is going to Columbus or Ann Arbor on a consistent basis and endure losing there, no way.
Ramblin' Gator
· 1 year ago
First of all, I believe the word you are searching for here is "mystique", not "mystic" (unless you are trying to suggest the SEC has hired a magician).
Secondly, trust me, there's no way any TV network that is run for profit will invest billions in covering a conference based on any perception of that conference's supremacy. Such decisions are based on whether or not the networks feel they can get the advertising dollars to cover the investment and that is driven by the number of fans who will tune in for those games. These decisions are based solely on ROI: Return On Investment.
Do you really think NBC is willing to take a huge loss covering ND games, simply because it's ND?
JB
· 1 year ago
and i am sure Michigan and tOSU would be head over heels to sign a home and home....note SARCASM
Duck
· 1 year ago
As tOSU has scheduled a home and home with each of Texas, USC and Miami, I don't think tOSU would run away from the opportunity to play an SEC powerhouse early in the year if it meant that the SEC team traveled out of its home state.
JB
· 1 year ago
i am just trying to make my point that LSU cannot get anyone to not back out of a home and home
Rob
· 1 year ago
Florida lost because UF as usual when the bowl game isn't worth a crap THEY DON'T SHOW UP....Florida has been and ALWAYS be "pretty"....as in not tough and giving a crap unless its for all the marbles....just look at the Gainesville culture, its the plastic surgery capital of the world outside of SoCal.
Rob
· 1 year ago
The SEC plays tougher opponets out of conference than the WAC-10 which of course got OWNED by the MOUNTAIN WEST CONF this past weekend 5-0....
Georgia every year plays GaTech, Florida every year plays FSU, Kentucky ditto with Louisville, USC ditto with Clemson, Arkansas has played Texas on and off, Bama has played OU and a variet of good opponets over the year, same for UT, you silly notion off SEC scheduling of "weak competition" is pathetic, and these so called statistics are fishy, and atypical of a WAC-10 agitprop artist.
1 more thing, bow down to the MWC...bw down.
Bama_by_Birth
· 1 year ago
Did you ever stop to think that maybe these "big time BCS" teams didn't want to come play in the SEC during the regular season. I could name a few, including one on the list up top, and why would they. No point in ruining a season till the very last game, just ask JimTressel.
Cobia
· 1 year ago
Who else thinks Miami should be up on the list?-
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
Miami is on the list. Did you check the link??
Cobia
· 1 year ago
I did check the link. I guess I missed Miami when I glanced over the list the first time.
East Carolina has 36, which would likely put them #2. Fresno State has 31 and BYU 32. These results DO include bowl games. FSU has 26.
It is interesting that the three non BCS teams that have won at least 50% of their games vs BCS teams are from the same conference. GO AIR FORCE!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 1 year ago
I'm totally not following your numbers. If FSU has 37 OOC against BCS -- not including bowls -- how do they have 26 in your list?
Ben Prather
· 1 year ago
They have 37 TOTAL OOC games and are 16-10 vs BCS. This implies 26 games vs BCS teams.
26/37 also gives the 70.3% the article sites for FSU's BCS %OCC
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
And yet in the same time frame...
The SEC is 11-4 in BCS bowls with 4 BCS titles...
44-30 in all bowl games...
Sports a winning record over every BCS conference save the P-10 with whom they haven't mixed it up in the post season since the inception of the BCS...
All of which leads any conference in D-1; BCS or not...
SEC schools are simply letting the little guys sort themselves out...
Allowing them to get some attention, if you will as we're not greedy...
Why waste your time sweating in two or three regualr season games when you can show up at the end and put boot to butt on whomever is stupid enough to get in the way...
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
Gatorhippy,
I now know what you mean when you alluded to a strange, weirdly kindred spirit-esque feeling after reading your posts...
I guess this is what it would feel like if we were both Gator or Tiger Fans...Instead of attacking each other, we're attacking fans of teams in the other charlatan-conferences and faux aspirants to the SEC's crown...
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
I couldn't imagine you as anything else but a Tiger, chief...
PrinceMarko
· 1 year ago
The BCS is a flawed system and you know it. Especially when they scheduled LSU vs Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. Holy crap did I win a ton of money on that.
This BCS system is totally spun up on cash flow and its ruining college football. Because of that, there is no way to really determine who would really win between programs in a playoff system.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
Marko:
Don't forget the Georgia-Hawaii game. I bought the western half of Wyoming with the money I made on that one. Oh yea, got the other half with that cash from Michigan-Florida.
Regan
· 1 year ago
This list is rather comforting, actually, here in ACC country. I remember back in 2001 when UNC had both Oklahoma and Texas on the schedule within the first 3 weeks.
Much of this comes from FSU's successful formula, and I'm on record as saying that this will eventually bring the ACC to the level of the SEC, if the SEC by and large avoids scheduling heavy OOC.
Rob
· 1 year ago
Uh, The SEC plays, dominates, and owns the ACC....ask Mark Richt.
Lennie Collins
· 1 year ago
Maybe we should look at teams instead of conferences?
gatorhippy
· 1 year ago
Why?
The final contention is that the SEC and the B12 have played no regular season OOC games against BCS opponents in the BCS era...
I'm once again pointing out that the SEC doesn't need to flex their muscles in the regular season...
B12 sports the second best overall bowl record in the BCS era at 33-32 and the second most titles at half the number for the SEC...
However, you guys need to tighten up on that next to last BCS bowl record...
grcunning
· 1 year ago
Has everybody else noticed how the SEC bragging is getting worse and worse everyday? The funny thing is that they haven't done anything to brag about. Ga beat Ga Southern, WOW!. Alabama beat a mediocre Clemson team(that was a pretty good win, actually), and Tenn went out west where the normal "SEC home field advantage" was gone, and got smacked around by an average team whose best QB, best RB, best TE, and best WR were all on the bench watching. I am sooooo impressed. First, some fanboy above said that home field doesn't matter in the south, clearly the SEC is so good that they don't need to play any home games. Now, its "we're so good we don't have to play any good teams in the regular season." Our players are so good they can sit around and play xbox all season, and then just walk in and beat up on the pretenders. I hope you guys know, you can only pump your head up so far, then it explodes. And if you get the chance, pass that pipe this way.
JB
· 1 year ago
it isnt bragging if you can wave around crystal footballs
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yes it is. Bragging has nothing to do with what you have, and everything to do with how you present it.
JB
· 1 year ago
true that my friend, can we just stop talking about conferences.....it just gets everyone steamed up and no one will ever win
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I agree. Just wanted to clear that up. Carry on.
Regan
· 1 year ago
NO - this actually makes the ACC look respectable for once. Change nothing!
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Starting a little off-topic... While I like this website because it provides good news and articles, the discussion has been entirely disappointing. Besides an objective few, it's mostly a bunch of SEC cronies not looking to get into any type of valid debate, but instead use it as a platform to argue the superiority of their conference. While there are many strengths to be argued for the SEC, the short comings of the conference are rarely conceded. When they are addressed by non-SEC affiliated members, these football fans are informed in a "tactful" (yes, that is sarcasm) manner about how they just don't truly understand college football. The article above is a perfect example. While the statistics clearly show a lack of OOC strength, there are still lists given of exceptions to the rule. Well, okay, thanks for the list, but the stats were compiled give an overall picture and not nit pick this-instance or that-instance which, as I just stated, are not the rule, but merely the exceptions.
Being more familiar with the PAC 10, using that conference as an example vs. the SEC seems most appropriate to shake up the conference strength argument a bit. Since 2000:
2006 USC 50, Arkansas 14 {PAC10} Washington State 14, Auburn 40 {SEC} Arizona 3, LSU 45 {SEC} California 18, Tennessee 35 {SEC}
2007 Tennessee 31, California 45 {PAC10}
2008 Tennessee 24, UCLA 27 (OT) {PAC10}
Sept. 20: UGA vs. ASU (I predict a Georgia win)
The Pac-10 ends up with a 10-6 record against the SEC (10-7 if UGA wins in a couple weeks). Furthermore, remove powerhouses LSU and USC from the equation and the record is 6-2 Pac-10. Say whatever you will, but the results speak for themselves. Also, let me say this, I am NOT arguing PAC 10 > SEC, I am just trying to prove the point that head-to-head match ups hold as stronger arguments than "my conference is so tough because I say so." I would argue that the SEC, Big XII, and Pac 10 are about equal right now.
As for BCS championships, the SEC has shown that it can live up to occasion and deserves much of its hype. However, I also think its fair to argue that the SEC school got some good breaks that allowed them to even play in the game to win it all. 2003, USC was #1 in both polls and shut out of the title game. (Although LSU would have been in the game anyway, USC was a much more competitive team than OK. Reference the similar margin of victories over the common opponent of Auburn) 2006, Michigan was not given a second chance vs. tOSU and USC lost at UCLA in its final regular season game. 2007, WVU lost to Pitt in its final regular season game and LSU received the BCS bid over other 2-loss teams. Furthermore, I think it is very arguable that other conference winners (or BCS at-larges) could have beaten tOSU in the title game the last two years. While I am in no way discrediting these national championships, I think it is important to appreciate that as much as talent is involved in receiving the chance to play for these BCS national championships, good fortune was too. Enjoy the good fortune, and don't let these things go to your head.
Have it at.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 1 year ago
On behalf of my fellow SEC cronies, you should be grateful that it is my diplomatic self that has claimed dibbs on your statement.
My first question: Why do you only want to go back to 2000? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the awakening of USC from a two-decade long slumber, could it? The same USC that would do the statistic heavy-lifting of any conference comparison?
????
TigerEducated
· 1 year ago
WEA,
I'm waiting to see him discuss the fairness of the 2004 BCS endgame scenario where you guys were shafted...
Bottom line, we won in 1992, 1996, 1998, and then again 2003, should've been given a shot in 2004 (based on his own logic being applied for your year as opposed to the year prior as he applied it for USC), and then we won it in 2006, and again in 2007...
That's six times in 15 years, with a valid argument of 7 in 15...
I'm not sure how the Big XII or the Pac-10 can compare to those results...
It's the ultimate quantifier of how successful a conference is...National Championships...
It's not subjective, its quite the opposite...It's simple....
Cold. Hard. Math.
I'm not being arrogant, nor subjective when I say it...We've proven it on the field at the pinncale of the sport on its largest stages...
We win national championships and we beat whoever you put in front of us...Especially Ohio State, LOL!
OU_Fan
· 1 year ago
I have to step back 2 years earlier here to 1990 as to national championships: Coloroado-1990, Nebraska-1994, 1995, 1997, Oklahoma-2000, Texas-2005= 6 national championships for the Big 12. The Pac-10 has 3: USC-2003, 2004, Washington-1991. The ACC has 5: Miami-1991, 2001, Georgia Tech-1990, Florida St.-1993, 1999. The Big 10 has 2: Michigan-1997, Ohio State-2002. From 1992 to present you have: SEC-7 national titles, Big 12-5 national titles, ACC-3, Pac-10- 2 , and the Big 10- 2 national titles. The SEC obviously has the most, but the Big 12 is definately in 2nd place. BOOMER!
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Yes, because the voters for the BCS and MNC are just so objective. You're right, that's cold hard math.
Also, you are arrogant. Don't kid yourself, but I guess everyone should be able to have something to be arrogant about. If for you, it is college football, so be it.
As for Auburn in 2004, I have a feeling the SC-Auburn game in 2003 probably played a role in their being shut out of the title game. Oh the beauty of the OOC schedule.
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Two words: nit picky. Either address the post, or don't address me at all.
Every SEC fan picks on the PAC 10 for having USC, but don't hate just because none of you can compete with them. Also, when I took USC out of the equation, there is STILL a clear Pac 10 edge. Address that, please. There is enough parity in the PAC 10 for SC to be challenged by the majority of the teams. Speaking of how soft the Pac 10 is in comparison to the SEC, could you please remind me the USC-Auburn score in 2003 as well as the USC-Cal score in 2003?
Regan
· 1 year ago
Make No Mistake - Fanblogs is not an SEC-dominated cronie fraternity (though right now it really looks like it...)
When(ever) the ACC starts getting better, at least a dozen idiots like me will become much more annoying.
Double that for the Notre Dame fanatics, who are watching everything we type and are just waiting for the right moment to strike.
Zac manages to keep the whole Big East covered himself.
We have Tommy Trojan, but we could definately could use some more Pac-10 folks to join us regularly. CFB in the BCS era is now more than ever a nation-wide sport.
The SEC folks are primarily the most vocal because as a whole, they are kicking the most butt right now.
With 10 games vs. the ACC, two each vs. Pac-10 & Big East, and one vs. the Big 12, we'll see how the SEC proves to be down the stretch, but the bottom line is that the SEC has only lost 2 OOC games so far.
(For myself) Welcome aboard!
Jeff
· 1 year ago
And one of those SEC losses came against 2007 SEC coach of the year to the hands of a WAC member...OUCH.
shiguy
· 1 year ago
Hey now! I'm on here too! I know what you mean though about Notre Dame. IrishJT you and I went at it a couple times a few years ago I know you're watching.........waiting..............then there will be that significant win and. "YO I TOLD ALL YOU MOFOS!!!!!!!!!!!!" followed by a "o there he is how was the 2 year vacation?"
TheMayor
· 1 year ago
Westcoaster
Go Bears, but you are wasting your time. I made this argument going back much further than you did, two years ago. It brought me nothing but heartache.
Yes, this is mostly an East Coast / SEC blog site. It didn't used to be that way. Some other left coasters have fallen off the grid over the past few years. Tommie Trojan and Ben Prather (he's at least West of the Mississippi) are regular contributers.
I admire your efforts but it will get you nowhere with this group.
See you in Berkeley on Nov 1st. I am hoping that Dumpster Muffin will be at the game...
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Thanks. I know. I have tried this before, and I figured this might be a good opportunity to try again. I just thought everyone deserved the benefit of the doubt and a second-chance to make some concessions. I'll probably continue being optimistic and try again at some point.
I went to the Oregon game last year. What a game! Hope this year's game in Berkeley is equally exciting. As for Dumpster Muffin, she probably won't be at the game. For some reason, I don't think she's the biggest fan of Cal Football...
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
West Coaster:
Your just gonna have to strap on your helmut and enter the arena. There is many an SEC head to roll in here. You can't fix stupid - so you have just got to chop it off. It's the only way. We're the Gladiators, man! They send hundreds of em' at us and we just keep killin' em all. The crowd goes wild every time one falls. Grab your sword before they open the gates. And, remember, no matter what comes out of those gates - is about as dumb as a box of rocks!
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
I was wondering where you were. The Bears look good this season. I thought you would have brought it up yourself by now. Jahvid Best looks great. Kevin Riley looks like he has a lot of potential. Unfortunately, being on the east coast, I've only been able to watch 1 game, and even then I couldn't see the whole game. What're your thoughts on the Bears chances this year and how they're going to finish?
BTW, I watched a video yesterday with some cops and some hippies in the trees. I guess they'll just never get their heads out of the trees in Berkeley, will they?
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Yeah, haven't been around because I had been pretty busy and then went on vacation. However, now life is monotonous enough that I have time to come back to the blog. Woo!
Yeah, Cal has looked really good. I tried to keep lower expectations, considering what had happened last year, but now they are starting to rise. I have found that the Bears perform best when not in the spotlight, so hopefully this season will just continue to build.
I was bummed out about the Clemson/AL game. Not even close. Too bad--I was rooting for a big season from those Tigers. The worst part was having to hear "SEC" chants during the game. What other conference even does that?
I went to Cal for a good portion of the tree-sitting protest, and let me tell you, walking by them on nearly a daily basis was very frustrating. I know Cal has a legacy for protesting, etc. but you'd think these characters, who have no affiliation with the school whatsoever, would be smart enough to pick and choose their battles.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
Yeah, in short, Clemson's coach is terrible and needs to go. Clemson doesn't win big games under him. I'm actually going to the South Carolina/Georgia game this weekend instead of Clemson/NC State. I simply can't allow my money to go to anyone who allows Tommy to roam the sidelines as the head coach of the Tigers.
Cal should win big in the next 2 games. Maryland looks terrible, and there's really no excuse if they have a problem with Colorado State. Then, that Arizona State game will be huge. I'm excited to see that one, especially if ASU manages to beat Georgia at home the weekend prior.
I had a class at South Hall and I remember a sign up sheet that was somewhat close where groups would schedule their protests accordingly so they wouldn't conflict. I thought that was hilarious.
WestCoaster
· 1 year ago
Cal blew it BIG TIME. Granted, Maryland has shown that it can play big against ranked teams (reference Rutgers and BC last year). However, there are no excuses. Overall, the PAC-10 just looked bad last weekend. I don't know if ASU and Cal were caught looking ahead to match ups they though would be more difficult, but the results were unacceptable. Hopefully ASU can upset Georgia, which is possible since Dennis Erickson has shown that he can coach in big games in the past and there is home-field advantage. However, I'm not getting my hopes up.
At least the ACC did a good job last week to improve its profile. However, I'm starting to think that conference comparisons are just impossible to make as the parity among all teams increases. After all, how can UCLA beat Tennessee and then lose like THAT to BYU? Ridiculous.
Wow, the University of Oklahoma gets no love! I haven't put the "pencil to paper" but here is a list of the over all out of conference opponents that OU has played since the start of the BCS: ALABAMA, MIAMI, OREGON, UCLA, WASHINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH FLORIDA, CINCINATTI, TULSA, FRESNO STATE, TCU, Air Force, Houston, UTEP, North Texas, Bowling Green, Arkansas State, Rice, Utah State, UAB, Middle Tennesse, and Tennessee-Chatanooga. BOOMER!
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
Clemson plays the Cocks every year, as per state law. That's one. It seems we manage to normally dig up another or two. TommyTrojan, your school will not get any more respect until it joins the SEC. Since that is not going to happen, your school will not get any more respect.
Clemson_Joe
· 1 year ago
That's true, Tommy_Trojan. National Championships don't garner any respect.
Wait, what?
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
CJ:
I'm with you, but, we really don't play for respect. We just play to kill everybody. We usually don't care about who respects us. It really doesn't matter. How much respect can a dead man give you anyway?
CLT_Cock
· 1 year ago
The SEC plays a lot of 'respectable' nonconference games. The problem is that most of those teams are no longer considered 'respectable' once one of the top-tiered SEC teams gets ahold of them. Unfortunately I can't give my Cocks much credit for this, but it does happen quite a bit lately.
UGA humiliated Hawaii (Hawaii, right? they were invited to a BCS bowl) LSU humiliated Va Tech last year Alabama humiliated Clemson this year (I agree Clem is respectable, but they were knocked out of the top 25?)
CLT_Cock
· 1 year ago
The SEC schedules plenty of respectable non-conference games. The problem is that the opponents are no longer considered 'respectable' after they play a top-tiered SEC team. Unfortunately for my Gamecocks, the same thing happens to the bottom half of the SEC. Send a East Carolina or a BYU down to the swamp, Death Valley, or between the hedges and they'll be out of the top 25 and not considered 'respectable' by Sunday.
It happened to Clemson last weekend. Obviously I have to consider them a very respectable team, but they obviously lost some love getting knocked from #9 to 'Others receiving votes...'.
Rob
· 1 year ago
Exactly and SEC team BEATS THE CRAP out of a good SEC team, that being Clemson, and they drop out of the polls, OSU drops from 5 to outside the Top Ten, Clemson dropped almost 3 TIMES as much as OSU????...WTH?
shiguy
· 1 year ago
This whole list can be misleading for some teams. I would say the BE is the most at a loss. Many of the teams in the BE are not viewed as respectable opponents (just ask VT who often felt they were above the others). I know for a fact that louisville, WVU, cincy, and south florida have asked EVERY team in the SEC for a home game at ANY time in the future be it 2 year, 5, or 10(auburn vs. WVU was scheduled 3 years ago). i know scheduling is hard but really? out of all those teams miss st played WVU and auburn is playing WVU and last year south florida. louisville vs kentucky doesn't count since that is state mandated. it seams a little odd though that of all those teams those were the only match ups available.
ok so the SEC doesn't like the BE. "hey B10(11) you're right next to us how bou.....(NO!)" "but we'...(NO!)" the response which was sent back was a "eh we don't know we MIGHT add a 12th team so we have to stay open if we need a conference championship." cincy got one shot at OSU two years ago and gave them a real scare for 3/4 game but then lost at the end. I know WVU would LOVE to get a shot at penn st. again (double for Pitt) or notre dame but that has garnered a huge N double O. so how fair is that?
luckly things are starting to look bright in the future with s. florida getting more sec games and WVU getting fl st. and michigan state after auburn this year and next. as much as i hate them...Pitt is the only BE team with NC's under their belt and are the most likely to be able to get more OOC BCS games flowing through the conference line as well as some much needed reputable teams.
Syracuse gets a lot of games but i think alot of that can be contributed to "hey it's a BCS school win and it will be easier than beating up a top tier AA school.
sorry just sounds to me that there are a lot of teams that are willing to play but are not viewed as a worthy opponent.
JB
· 1 year ago
actually, i heard a rumor that LSU is in talks with Cinncinatti....dont quote me though (i dont remeber the source)
shiguy
· 1 year ago
that would be interesting. if cincy continues their progress. they just keep getting better every year.
WarEagleFan
· 1 year ago
I think some one (not me, don't have that much time) should figure out which teams play more ranked teams according to the final polls. Ben Panther this seems like something you would have alot of fun with! And i would be suprised if alot of the top teams were not SEC teams seeing as they usually have four to five teams in the top 25 if not more.
grcunning
· 1 year ago
moved
RazzMaTazz
· 1 year ago
I was really shocked, SHOCKED to see this dicussion turn into a conference-strength argument. I've never seen that here before.
I'm impressed that the ACC had 7-out-of-14 of the top fearless teams. I wonder if that has any impact on how poorly the ACC has fared lately. I don't really see how.
I enjoyed seeing UNC stomp Rutgers last night for a bit of ACC pride. However, it makes me worry about my beloved Clemson playing UNC later this season because UNC was VERY impressive. I'm just not sure how good Rutgers is.
Can't wait to see Kansas-USF tonight for some Big-12 vs Big East pride.
I wish McCain and Obama would pledge to enforce more BCS-BCS OOC games.
AdamAL
· 1 year ago
It seems to me that the discussion here has gotten off track. It was not about wins and losses or national champs, but just simply straping it on and playing someone tuff. Now I'm a Alabama fan and I think that our scheduling has been crap the last few years. OOC games with OK, CL, FSU aside, we haven't played many. Notice that 2 out of 3 of those teams have a BCS title and I think that bumps the anty up a bit from Virgina and other bottem feeders. Plain and simple, the bottem feeders in the SEC suck just as bad as the bottem feeders in the other BCS Confrences and a teams shouldn't get respect for beating down MISS St. no more than duke or northwestern or baylor or Arizonia. I know because AL has been a bottem feeder for a few years now. 16 yrs since a NC, 9 since an SEC title we've only finished in the top 25 twice this century. I think a better way to guage the balls of a program to play other top teams is to take each team's schedule and count the number of oponents who finished in the top 25 that year. go back as far as you want, this story went back to 1998. Who played the most OOC oponents that finished in the top 25. Whoever tops that list is the bravest team in the country.
Tommy_Trojan
· 1 year ago
AdamAL:
Your lying, right? You made too much sense to actually be an Alabama fan. You were actually being honest about the assessment of your team. This is clearly not right and something has got to be wrong with this picture.
Rob
· 1 year ago
On probation...duh...thats what teams do while on probation...duh
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
At this point, I'll settle for another Outback bowl and a shot at going 3 and 0 over OSU.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
NCAA football parity is for real. If you understand that even numbers of schollys for schools, means that big money/status schools, can no longer sign a lot of top talent, to ride the bench. Then, you must try to understand that traditional powers, are the ones that will take the hit. That being said, strength of conference will, over time, occasion a major shift of where the top talent will go. It is inevitable. You mark my words, and watch over the next ten years as some of the top left coast talent, starts to enroll in the southeast. Considering strength of schedule, and parity. A traditionally dominant team, in a weaker conference, must eventually start to lose more often. That sucks for you, EVERYBODY else likes it. Stay with me now, traditional Powerhouses, start to look beatable to everybody else, can I hear an Amen from Appalachian State, AMEN!
This argument to the next level. . Arizona State lost UNLV Oregon won Purdue California lost Maryland Stanford lost TCU Oregon State won Hawaii Washington lost Oklahoma Washington State lost Baylor Arizona lost New Mexico USC won OSU UCLA lost BYU
I don't care who you are, that is not a very impressive day.
U.of S.C.1978
· 1 year ago
One last thought, This the internet. The whole nation has an equal chance at it. SEC fans dominate this site, that is true. Some of you others sort of snidely point that out. Not our fault if we quite rightly recognize our dominance. Apparently, most of the rest of the nation recognizes that as well, and quite wisely choses to remain silent. That leaves just a few dummies for us to argue with.
Bama_DevilDog
· 1 year ago
You can through out stats and out of confernce games because When you have to play week after week of tuff games like the SEC, it doesnt compare to playing a good team and then getting two or three weeks to really prepare for your next true test, like the Big 10 and PAC-10 and all the other cup cake confernces. SEC teams are built to play SEC teams also. That is why Mississippi State is tuff on Auburn even when you don't really think they have a chance. Saying all this nonsense about the SEC, shows that your ignorrant to true college football. You think just because you win one tuff game and beat up on cup cake teams all season makes you a BCS contender than, you dont understand the grind of college football. And your just working the system.
AdamAL
· 1 year ago
I think that teams from the ACC and PAC 10 know that they are not going to get respect for their confrence scedules, even though that probably not fair, so they go out and get who that can to showcase their ability. Cal, UCLA, Oregan, Wash, well heck nearly all of the PAC 10 schools have went out of confrence to test their mettle. Its the same for the ACC. Now in the SEC we know that we will get respect for our confrence play so there's no real motivater to go get a Wisconsin, or a Mizzo to play us. We are working the system just as bad ans anyone else, if not worse. BTW AU was looking at LSU, thats why MISS ST snuck up on them. The SEC is good, and I don't think many would disagree with that unless we tick them off enough with our arrogance. I still think we need to go out an see each year how good we are, we cannot claim to be the best if we dont strap it on againts other BCS confrences. I thin Nick Satan has began to change AL's scheduling, but its not to add glory to the SEC, it is to add recuits to his team. We'll see if over the next few years the SEC want to revel in their tuff confrence, or if we want to go play with the other big boys and see how we really match up top to bottem.
KURT
· 1 year ago
ACC IS 115-95 WITH IS DATA SEC IS 53-61 THE MYTH EXPOSED
Matt
· 1 year ago
BCS opponents isn't that accurate a measure. By that standard, playing BYU, Utah, Boise, Miami-OH, etc. is being chicken and playing Ole Miss, Duke, Baylor, Stanford, Indiana, etc. is scheduling tough opponents.
It also doens't take into account teams who CHICKEN out of games against SEC teams. BCS teams have backed out of games against LSU and Auburn the past few years and left them scrambling to find a I-AA bottom feeder.
JAMES
· 1 year ago
Hey any Michigan or Ohio State fans listen up. All I gotta say is win a national championship. Oh wait Michigan is too busy loosing to App st. and Utah wow. Ohio State can't beat any SEC team in a bowl game, they are 0-9 versus the SEC in bowl games. Oh and Michigan LSU and UF did something yall haven't in the last 4 years, beat Ohio State. The pac-10 is a joke name one team that can contend with USC. I'll wait thats right you can't because the conference is horrible. 0-5 against the Mountain West for the pac-10 WOW. No one can name a clear favorite in the SEC because its loaded with teams that can compete. Ask Arizona State and Clemson if the SEC are for real. We just saw what Florida did to Tenn. at Tenn. so don't give me that UCLA beat Tenn. in OT nonsense.
Mike
· 1 year ago
Why is it that every fanblog you go to SEC fans have to constantly talk about their conference? Do SEC fans have favorite teams or is there a new conference poll I don't know about? Is it so when your team has 2, 3 or 4 losses in the SEC you can justify to yourself that your team is still a powerhouse because it came out of the almighty SEC even though there are no OOC games to judge from? How do you know today that Florida could beat Utah or BYU right now and deserves to be ranked so much higher than them? Oh that's right, SPEED. The truth is you don't know, no one does but the media (especially ESPN) tells you they are better, more football fans in the south=higher ratings. Makes sense to me but I guess I understand the business side of it. It is pretty simple math though if you put 5 SEC teams in the top 15 and they don't play anybody OOC they lose a couple games to each other than they will not move down in the polls too much when they lose because they are "beating up on each other". Then at the end of the season when the SEC goes .500 in bowl games we can all talk about how tough the SEC is because they "earned" a spot in the title game with 2 losses and then beat a obviously poorly coached OSU. Then the other teams in the SEC that lost to the champs that year will be a top 10 team next year even though they lost 5 games and didn't prove anything (example Florida). Gimme a freakin break. Are SEC defenses that good or are the offenses just that inept? Hmm, questions you would never hear debated about the SEC on ESPN. I love ESPN myself but just because they don't do a story or talk about a particular team (or conference for this matter) all the time doesn't mean they aren't good or worthy of being a BCS team and just because they do stories or cover the SEC more doesn't make them the superior conference. I will be the first to admit the SEC is a great conference and is the top conference 2-3 times every 5 years lately but just because you have more ESPN 150 recruits year in and year out doesn't mean you have the best teams it just means you have more supporters. The sad part of College football these days is even though there is more parody in the league FBS football is nothing but a popularity contest based off of recruiting "talent" rankings which persuades the joke of what is called college football polls. Look at any other sport, the team with the "most talent" doesn't win a championship every year and the teams with the "most talent" sure as hell aren't voted into the championship game in any other sport. Truthfully though who the hell can blame SEC fans, they had to hear about the big ten all the time when those were the only games on ESPN before the BTN.
All Comments
once again, not saying all of our teams are better or that it is a better top to bottom conference (though i think it is the case)......just saying that the SEC is more competitive internally than the other BCS conferences, which forces them to sched crappy teams to make up for one or two assumed conf. losses
did anyone follow, i was all over the place with this one... ;-]
Let's not go down the SEC degree of difficulty argument, unless you really believe it is part and parcel to why **some** SEC teams schedule BCS OOC and others do not. For better or for worse, UF has FSU every season and UM this year. Tennessee seems to make a regular date with the Pac10. USC gets Clemson. Georgia gets Georgia Tech. Not sure what goes on with the others, but...
SEC:
vs. ACC (10x): UGA/GT, FLA/MIA, FLA/FSU, SCAR/NCSU, SCAR/CLEM, VAND/DUKE, VAND/WF, BAMA/CLEM, MISS/WF, MSST/GT
vs. Big East (2x): UK/LOU, AUB/WVU
vs. Big 12 (1x): ARK/TEX
vs. Pac-10 (2x): TENN/UCLA, UGA/ASU
vs. FBS Ind (1x): BAMA/WKU
vs. C-USA (9x): SCAR/UAB, TENN/UAB, VAND/RICE, BAMA/TUL, ARK/TULS, AUB/USM, LSU/TUL, MISS/MEM, MSST/LTECH
vs. MAC (5x): UGA/CMCH, UK/AKR, UK/TEMP, TENN/NIU, VAND/MIAU
vs. Sun Belt (7x): BAMA/ARST, ARK/ULM, AUB/ULM, LSU/UNT, LSU/TROY, MISS/ULM, MSST/MTSU
vs. Mountain West (1x): TENN/WYO
vs. WAC (2x): FLA/HAW, LSU/LTECH
vs. FCS (8x)
When is DISQUS going to let me use color-coded text??? :)
Maybe never.
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Thank you, though.
The code you enter shows up here
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ACC:
vs. Big East (4x): NCSU/USF, UNC/CONN, UNC/RUTG, UVA/CONN
vs. Big Ten (1x): DUKE/NW
vs. Big 12 (4x): FSU/COL, WF/BAY, MIA/TXAM, VT/NEB
vs. Pac-10 (2x): SCAL/UVA, CAL/MARY
vs, SEC (10x): CLEM/BAMA, CLEM/SCAR, FSU/FLA, NCSU/SCAR, WF/MISS, WF/VAND, DUKE/VAND, GT/MSST, GT/UGA, MIA/FLA
vs. FBS Ind. (5x): BC/ND, WF/NAVY, DUKE/NAVY, UNC/ND, VT/WKU
vs. C-USA (5x): BC/UCF, MIA/UCF, NCSU/ECU, UVA/ECU, VT/ECU
vs. MAC (2x): BC/KENT, MARY/EMCH
vs. Sun Belt (1x): MARY/MTSU
vs. FCS (10x)
Like I've said before, come to Ann Arbor, Columbus or Wisconsin in November and win. Or go to USC in September and then tell me how "dominant" the SEC is.
1/1/2008 vs. Florida (9-4) W 41 35 @ Orlando, FL Capital One Bowl
9/2/2006 vs. Vanderbilt (4-8) W 27 7
1/1/2003 vs. Florida (8-5) W 38 30 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl
1/1/2002 vs. Tennessee (11-2) L 17 45 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl
1/1/2001 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 31 28 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl
1/1/2000 vs. Alabama (10-3) W 35 34 @ Miami, FL Orange Bowl
1/1/1999 vs. Arkansas (9-3) W 45 31 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl
1/1/1997 vs. Alabama (10-3) L 14 17 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl
1/1/1991 vs. Mississippi (9-3) W 35 3 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl
1/2/1988 vs. Alabama (7-5) W 28 24 @ Tampa, FL Hall of Fame Bowl
1/2/1984 vs. Auburn (11-1) L 7 9 @ New Orleans, LA Sugar Bowl
PS. I dont care what you did to Ohio State
You may not care what was done to Ohio State, but if the Buckeyes beat your team and make it to the BCSCG, it does kinda matter. :-)
Mi playing Fl in Fl
Ill playing Southern Cal in Southern Cal
PSU playing Texas A&M in Texas
This is not anecdotal.
The post season is COMPLETELY biased toward warm weather teams.
"Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you in the bowl games"
Are you stoned or something????
That is one of the most ridiculous and absurd things I have read on this site.
You would have us believe that home field doesn't matter in the south?
Let me clue you in...HOME FIELD MATTERS to every team in the country. Home field matters in peewee football. home field matters in high school. home field matters in college...period
The post season is COMPLETELY biased toward warm weather teams.
My point exactly! Thanks for agreeing with me while not realizing that you have agreed with me.
"Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you much in the bowl games which are mostly in the south, the west, or held indoors"?
And I don't think that only northern teams treat home weather as an ally..
85 degrees with 95% humidity at Christmastime is just an important ally to southern teams.
Home field is a big advantage up north in the cold months, but it doesn't help you much in the bowl games which are mostly in the south, the west, or held indoors.
YES!! EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!! NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!! NOBODY IS SAYING THAT SOUTHERN TEAMS DON'T HAVE A HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE!!
My point is that northern teams take advantage of the natural, late-season edge they get from the weather, just like southern teams have an advantage in the early season. The difference is, northern teams have less time to adjust and seem to become complacent about their weather advantage when bowl season comes and their advantage is gone.
I noticed this in the 90s when the Buffalo Bills regularly made the playoffs and then always seemed to lose the first time they had a playoff game that was either in the south or indoors.
Now take a chill-pill, GR!
Arky and Miss had all on-conference losses, UM has 5 total losses against the SEC.....If I remeber correctly 8-10 legit MODERN wins against the SEC....and then a bunch of wins of Vandy and I think Kentucky before the SEC ever existed.....back in the days BEFORE the foward pass.
I find Wikipedia to be a useful tool when I am unsure about something.
Kentucky plays Louisville, Florida plays Miami & FSU, UGA plays Arizona State this year, Arkansas plays Texas, Alabama played Clemson (& FSU last year), Tennessee plays UCLA & Cal....
Sounds like a conference completely unafraid to play tough teams...
VT went 11-3 last year and went to a BCS Game and won the ACC...and we hung 48 on them...Could you smell how scared we were?
Texas Tech also backed out on us this year...
We are trying to do home-and-homes with everyone...and have been since the Saban Era...We've played a PAC-10 team almost every single year since 2003...and we've tried to do ACC games, and Big XII (Texas & Texas A&M flatly refuse us, consistently) as well...
Your like a bowling pin, dude. No matter how many times I knock your ass down - they just keep settin' you back up. You related to Tex Cobb by chance? Did you read the list? Your not on it. I'm sorry, you guys have a tremendous knack for playing teams in "down years". Yes, I consider Arizona State a bottom feeder. What do you think they are? Good? Can't remember when they beat us last. They got close once. But, I think we've beaten them about 29 of the last 30 times. What do you think I think? Oh, I'm terrified of Arizona State. Not gonna happen. Why don't you try Texas? Dude, I am not impressed with a cupcake win over Ohio State. If the Trojans lose to Ohio State this week - then you will have made me into a believer. Until then, just beat one good OOC opponent. ACC teams don't count.
On this one you are correct. Wins over Virginia and Notre Dame do not count.
Secondly, trust me, there's no way any TV network that is run for profit will invest billions in covering a conference based on any perception of that conference's supremacy. Such decisions are based on whether or not the networks feel they can get the advertising dollars to cover the investment and that is driven by the number of fans who will tune in for those games. These decisions are based solely on ROI: Return On Investment.
Do you really think NBC is willing to take a huge loss covering ND games, simply because it's ND?
Georgia every year plays GaTech, Florida every year plays FSU, Kentucky ditto with Louisville, USC ditto with Clemson, Arkansas has played Texas on and off, Bama has played OU and a variet of good opponets over the year, same for UT, you silly notion off SEC scheduling of "weak competition" is pathetic, and these so called statistics are fishy, and atypical of a WAC-10 agitprop artist.
1 more thing, bow down to the MWC...bw down.
East Carolina has 36, which would likely put them #2. Fresno State has 31 and BYU 32. These results DO include bowl games. FSU has 26.
It is interesting that the three non BCS teams that have won at least 50% of their games vs BCS teams are from the same conference. GO AIR FORCE!
26/37 also gives the 70.3% the article sites for FSU's BCS %OCC
The SEC is 11-4 in BCS bowls with 4 BCS titles...
44-30 in all bowl games...
Sports a winning record over every BCS conference save the P-10 with whom they haven't mixed it up in the post season since the inception of the BCS...
All of which leads any conference in D-1; BCS or not...
SEC schools are simply letting the little guys sort themselves out...
Allowing them to get some attention, if you will as we're not greedy...
Why waste your time sweating in two or three regualr season games when you can show up at the end and put boot to butt on whomever is stupid enough to get in the way...
I now know what you mean when you alluded to a strange, weirdly kindred spirit-esque feeling after reading your posts...
I guess this is what it would feel like if we were both Gator or Tiger Fans...Instead of attacking each other, we're attacking fans of teams in the other charlatan-conferences and faux aspirants to the SEC's crown...
This BCS system is totally spun up on cash flow and its ruining college football. Because of that, there is no way to really determine who would really win between programs in a playoff system.
Don't forget the Georgia-Hawaii game. I bought the western half of Wyoming with the money I made on that one. Oh yea, got the other half with that cash from Michigan-Florida.
Much of this comes from FSU's successful formula, and I'm on record as saying that this will eventually bring the ACC to the level of the SEC, if the SEC by and large avoids scheduling heavy OOC.
The final contention is that the SEC and the B12 have played no regular season OOC games against BCS opponents in the BCS era...
I'm once again pointing out that the SEC doesn't need to flex their muscles in the regular season...
B12 sports the second best overall bowl record in the BCS era at 33-32 and the second most titles at half the number for the SEC...
However, you guys need to tighten up on that next to last BCS bowl record...
I am sooooo impressed.
First, some fanboy above said that home field doesn't matter in the south, clearly the SEC is so good that they don't need to play any home games.
Now, its "we're so good we don't have to play any good teams in the regular season." Our players are so good they can sit around and play xbox all season, and then just walk in and beat up on the pretenders.
I hope you guys know, you can only pump your head up so far, then it explodes.
And if you get the chance, pass that pipe this way.
Being more familiar with the PAC 10, using that conference as an example vs. the SEC seems most appropriate to shake up the conference strength argument a bit. Since 2000:
2000 Alabama 24, UCLA 35 {PAC10}
2001 UCLA 20, Alabama 17 {PAC10}
2002 Auburn 17, USC 24 {PAC10}
Mississippi State 13, Oregon 36 {PAC10}
2003 USC 23, Auburn 0 {PAC10}
LSU 59, Arizona 13 {SEC}
Oregon 42, Mississippi State 34 {PAC10}
2004 Oregon State 21, LSU 22 (OT) {SEC}
2005 Arkansas 17, USC 70 {PAC10}
LSU 35, Arizona State 31 {SEC}
2006 USC 50, Arkansas 14 {PAC10}
Washington State 14, Auburn 40 {SEC}
Arizona 3, LSU 45 {SEC}
California 18, Tennessee 35 {SEC}
2007 Tennessee 31, California 45 {PAC10}
2008 Tennessee 24, UCLA 27 (OT) {PAC10}
Sept. 20: UGA vs. ASU (I predict a Georgia win)
The Pac-10 ends up with a 10-6 record against the SEC (10-7 if UGA wins in a couple weeks). Furthermore, remove powerhouses LSU and USC from the equation and the record is 6-2 Pac-10. Say whatever you will, but the results speak for themselves. Also, let me say this, I am NOT arguing PAC 10 > SEC, I am just trying to prove the point that head-to-head match ups hold as stronger arguments than "my conference is so tough because I say so." I would argue that the SEC, Big XII, and Pac 10 are about equal right now.
As for BCS championships, the SEC has shown that it can live up to occasion and deserves much of its hype. However, I also think its fair to argue that the SEC school got some good breaks that allowed them to even play in the game to win it all. 2003, USC was #1 in both polls and shut out of the title game. (Although LSU would have been in the game anyway, USC was a much more competitive team than OK. Reference the similar margin of victories over the common opponent of Auburn) 2006, Michigan was not given a second chance vs. tOSU and USC lost at UCLA in its final regular season game. 2007, WVU lost to Pitt in its final regular season game and LSU received the BCS bid over other 2-loss teams. Furthermore, I think it is very arguable that other conference winners (or BCS at-larges) could have beaten tOSU in the title game the last two years. While I am in no way discrediting these national championships, I think it is important to appreciate that as much as talent is involved in receiving the chance to play for these BCS national championships, good fortune was too. Enjoy the good fortune, and don't let these things go to your head.
Have it at.
My first question: Why do you only want to go back to 2000? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the awakening of USC from a two-decade long slumber, could it? The same USC that would do the statistic heavy-lifting of any conference comparison?
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I'm waiting to see him discuss the fairness of the 2004 BCS endgame scenario where you guys were shafted...
Bottom line, we won in 1992, 1996, 1998, and then again 2003, should've been given a shot in 2004 (based on his own logic being applied for your year as opposed to the year prior as he applied it for USC), and then we won it in 2006, and again in 2007...
That's six times in 15 years, with a valid argument of 7 in 15...
I'm not sure how the Big XII or the Pac-10 can compare to those results...
It's the ultimate quantifier of how successful a conference is...National Championships...
It's not subjective, its quite the opposite...It's simple....
Cold. Hard. Math.
I'm not being arrogant, nor subjective when I say it...We've proven it on the field at the pinncale of the sport on its largest stages...
We win national championships and we beat whoever you put in front of us...Especially Ohio State, LOL!
Also, you are arrogant. Don't kid yourself, but I guess everyone should be able to have something to be arrogant about. If for you, it is college football, so be it.
As for Auburn in 2004, I have a feeling the SC-Auburn game in 2003 probably played a role in their being shut out of the title game. Oh the beauty of the OOC schedule.
Every SEC fan picks on the PAC 10 for having USC, but don't hate just because none of you can compete with them. Also, when I took USC out of the equation, there is STILL a clear Pac 10 edge. Address that, please. There is enough parity in the PAC 10 for SC to be challenged by the majority of the teams. Speaking of how soft the Pac 10 is in comparison to the SEC, could you please remind me the USC-Auburn score in 2003 as well as the USC-Cal score in 2003?
When(ever) the ACC starts getting better, at least a dozen idiots like me will become much more annoying.
Double that for the Notre Dame fanatics, who are watching everything we type and are just waiting for the right moment to strike.
Zac manages to keep the whole Big East covered himself.
We have Tommy Trojan, but we could definately could use some more Pac-10 folks to join us regularly. CFB in the BCS era is now more than ever a nation-wide sport.
The SEC folks are primarily the most vocal because as a whole, they are kicking the most butt right now.
With 10 games vs. the ACC, two each vs. Pac-10 & Big East, and one vs. the Big 12, we'll see how the SEC proves to be down the stretch, but the bottom line is that the SEC has only lost 2 OOC games so far.
(For myself) Welcome aboard!
Go Bears, but you are wasting your time. I made this argument going back much further than you did, two years ago. It brought me nothing but heartache.
Yes, this is mostly an East Coast / SEC blog site. It didn't used to be that way. Some other left coasters have fallen off the grid over the past few years. Tommie Trojan and Ben Prather (he's at least West of the Mississippi) are regular contributers.
I admire your efforts but it will get you nowhere with this group.
See you in Berkeley on Nov 1st. I am hoping that Dumpster Muffin will be at the game...
I went to the Oregon game last year. What a game! Hope this year's game in Berkeley is equally exciting. As for Dumpster Muffin, she probably won't be at the game. For some reason, I don't think she's the biggest fan of Cal Football...
Your just gonna have to strap on your helmut and enter the arena. There is many an SEC head to roll in here. You can't fix stupid - so you have just got to chop it off. It's the only way. We're the Gladiators, man! They send hundreds of em' at us and we just keep killin' em all. The crowd goes wild every time one falls. Grab your sword before they open the gates. And, remember, no matter what comes out of those gates - is about as dumb as a box of rocks!
BTW, I watched a video yesterday with some cops and some hippies in the trees. I guess they'll just never get their heads out of the trees in Berkeley, will they?
Yeah, Cal has looked really good. I tried to keep lower expectations, considering what had happened last year, but now they are starting to rise. I have found that the Bears perform best when not in the spotlight, so hopefully this season will just continue to build.
I was bummed out about the Clemson/AL game. Not even close. Too bad--I was rooting for a big season from those Tigers. The worst part was having to hear "SEC" chants during the game. What other conference even does that?
I went to Cal for a good portion of the tree-sitting protest, and let me tell you, walking by them on nearly a daily basis was very frustrating. I know Cal has a legacy for protesting, etc. but you'd think these characters, who have no affiliation with the school whatsoever, would be smart enough to pick and choose their battles.
Cal should win big in the next 2 games. Maryland looks terrible, and there's really no excuse if they have a problem with Colorado State. Then, that Arizona State game will be huge. I'm excited to see that one, especially if ASU manages to beat Georgia at home the weekend prior.
I had a class at South Hall and I remember a sign up sheet that was somewhat close where groups would schedule their protests accordingly so they wouldn't conflict. I thought that was hilarious.
At least the ACC did a good job last week to improve its profile. However, I'm starting to think that conference comparisons are just impossible to make as the parity among all teams increases. After all, how can UCLA beat Tennessee and then lose like THAT to BYU? Ridiculous.
I will reopen the can of worms after the BCS polls are released.
TommyTrojan, your school will not get any more respect until it joins the SEC. Since that is not going to happen, your school will not get any more respect.
Wait, what?
I'm with you, but, we really don't play for respect. We just play to kill everybody. We usually don't care about who respects us. It really doesn't matter. How much respect can a dead man give you anyway?
UGA humiliated Hawaii (Hawaii, right? they were invited to a BCS bowl)
LSU humiliated Va Tech last year
Alabama humiliated Clemson this year (I agree Clem is respectable, but they were knocked out of the top 25?)
It happened to Clemson last weekend. Obviously I have to consider them a very respectable team, but they obviously lost some love getting knocked from #9 to 'Others receiving votes...'.
ok so the SEC doesn't like the BE. "hey B10(11) you're right next to us how bou.....(NO!)" "but we'...(NO!)" the response which was sent back was a "eh we don't know we MIGHT add a 12th team so we have to stay open if we need a conference championship." cincy got one shot at OSU two years ago and gave them a real scare for 3/4 game but then lost at the end. I know WVU would LOVE to get a shot at penn st. again (double for Pitt) or notre dame but that has garnered a huge N double O. so how fair is that?
luckly things are starting to look bright in the future with s. florida getting more sec games and WVU getting fl st. and michigan state after auburn this year and next. as much as i hate them...Pitt is the only BE team with NC's under their belt and are the most likely to be able to get more OOC BCS games flowing through the conference line as well as some much needed reputable teams.
Syracuse gets a lot of games but i think alot of that can be contributed to "hey it's a BCS school win and it will be easier than beating up a top tier AA school.
sorry just sounds to me that there are a lot of teams that are willing to play but are not viewed as a worthy opponent.
Ben Panther this seems like something you would have alot of fun with!
And i would be suprised if alot of the top teams were not SEC teams seeing as they usually have four to five teams in the top 25 if not more.
I'm impressed that the ACC had 7-out-of-14 of the top fearless teams. I wonder if that has any impact on how poorly the ACC has fared lately. I don't really see how.
I enjoyed seeing UNC stomp Rutgers last night for a bit of ACC pride. However, it makes me worry about my beloved Clemson playing UNC later this season because UNC was VERY impressive. I'm just not sure how good Rutgers is.
Can't wait to see Kansas-USF tonight for some Big-12 vs Big East pride.
I wish McCain and Obama would pledge to enforce more BCS-BCS OOC games.
Your lying, right? You made too much sense to actually be an Alabama fan. You were actually being honest about the assessment of your team. This is clearly not right and something has got to be wrong with this picture.
means that big money/status schools, can no longer sign a lot of top talent, to ride the bench. Then, you must try to understand that traditional powers, are the ones that will take the hit. That being said, strength of conference will, over time, occasion a major shift of where the top talent will go. It is inevitable. You mark my words, and watch over the next ten years as some of the top left coast talent, starts to enroll in the southeast.
Considering strength of schedule, and parity. A traditionally dominant team, in a weaker conference, must eventually start to lose more often. That sucks for you, EVERYBODY else likes it. Stay with me now, traditional Powerhouses, start to look beatable to everybody else, can I hear an Amen from Appalachian State, AMEN!
This argument to the next level.
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Arizona State lost UNLV
Oregon won Purdue
California lost Maryland
Stanford lost TCU
Oregon State won Hawaii
Washington lost Oklahoma
Washington State lost Baylor
Arizona lost New Mexico
USC won OSU
UCLA lost BYU
I don't care who you are, that is not a very impressive day.
It also doens't take into account teams who CHICKEN out of games against SEC teams. BCS teams have backed out of games against LSU and Auburn the past few years and left them scrambling to find a I-AA bottom feeder.