Are you sure they can't be voted #2? I think the NC game only decides #1. Florida State finished 4th in 2000 after losing to Oklahoma, Nebraska 7th after losing to Miami in '01, OU #3 in '03 & '04, and Ohio State finished 4th after losing to Florida in '07.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 11 months ago
A bit of a contradiction in this thread: the second paragraph says that the final 1 and 2 slots are reserved for the BCS CG participants, but the quote from Grant Teaff says that the coaches vote for the 2 slot down...
lbu828694
· 11 months ago
Im pretty sure the winner is given the number 1 spot, after that anyone can be ranked 2-25
GeauxTigers0107
· 11 months ago
I think he should vote for his team. If Pete can do it, why not Kyle?
Geaux Tigers Geaux SEC
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 11 months ago
Correction - the coaches vote from #2 - #25. Updated in the OP. Although it really is a moot point - the premise is still correct regarding #1.
Ben Prather
· 11 months ago
He will vote Utah #1. It will be counted. A handful of coaches, possibly more than three, will go with him.
In all cases, like 2003, it is an intentional act of civil disobediance.
The overwhelming majority of coaches will follow the AFCA guidelines as agreed to before the season.
Utah WILL NOT be #1 in the coaches poll.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
Ben:
I would be shocked if Pete Carroll does not vote Utah # 1. I am absolutely convinced that he will do this - as it would be very hypocritical not to. If he doesn't choose Utah, he will most assuredly pick USC. He absolutely disdains the BCS. Look for one of these two scenarios to happen. The only reason he may not, is if either Florida or Oklahoma, put on some kinda display that leaves no doubt in anybody's mind.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
If he disdains the BCS so much, why not return the 2004 Trophy he accepted as the head coach of the team that won the Championship Game?
Why did he rail against the system in 2003, yet in 2004, when included in the final game, did he say, "It's the system we've agreed to?"
The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth, anytime its convenient for him to do so.
Where's his bleeding heart for 14-0 Auburn that year?
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 11 months ago
13-0 Auburn...
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
Forget it, he's rolling. (Sorry TE, I just couldn't help it...the opportunity was too good, and I really needed the laugh today...)
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Azzwipe, he said this: "It's the system we've agreed to?" We've doesn't mean him. He wasn't even involved in college football in 1998. He did not agree to any of this. He thinks it's all BS - just like I think that you are a freakin' punk. He can't give back "the vaunted Chrystal Ball". Clearly, we Trojan fan's more than you, understand that we did not play the most deserving team in the land after handing Oklahoma their azz 55-19. Surely, Auburn or Utah, would have made for a more worthy opponent in that year. We don't really care about chrystal - jerk off! We'd just as soon beat your punk azz down anytime and anywhere. That's all that it's all about. We don't care about Rose Bowls, Orange Bowls, Sugar Bowls, Fiesta Bowls or MNC games. All we want to do is get your sorry azzez on the field. Get it?
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
Do you really think that the fanboy message board schtick is going to goad me into using more than one tri-syllabic word in response?
As far as the actual substance of your post. After weeding through the idiocy (Damn, that's 3 tri-syllabic words in response; you must've gotten the best of me!)
Just curious, when has Pete tried to change the system? Cobble together support? Rallied his conference around moving towards a playoff? I can tell you I haven't seen any articles where he's tried to gather steam to effect change. Can you point any out to me?
I can point out a few articles to you where the Big 10 and the PAC-10 have stood in the way of the system he rails against. Has he spoken out against them?
I almost included a parenthetical caveat to my post that said (Please commence with inane, immature, rambling response that has little to do with subject matter at hand, instead focusing almost completely on juvenile banter), but I thought better of it. I knew you'd acquiesce, whether I goaded you or not.
Oh, and one more thing...Why would Pete Carroll bother-or care about-voting in a poll if all its about is beating "azzez" on the field? Clarify that for me, would you?
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
I had asked you to remove your panties and don some men's briefs before confronting me again. Don't make me take this Big Ol' Pimp Hand out and smack you back down. Nevertheless, I will try and speak to you, as if you were my own personal beeatch.
Why do we need a playoff system for the PAC 10? What does it accomplish? Oh, we could possibly have another idiotic "upset" on occasion, where the loser actually backs into the MNC game. Do you remember that Oklahoma and Nebraska have both accomplished this? What purpose does it serve in the PAC 10? We all know who the Conference Champion is. It's been that way for awhile now. We all play each team in the conference, all nine of them, and there isn't any reason to give somebody a 2nd chance. You get one here. You either win or go home. That's the way it is.
What is it that Pete Carroll can do to change the system? All we can do is beat every BCS team that we ever play. We can only expose the system for the complete joke that it is. Furthermore, this is a business, and we are doing very well. We probably make more money playing in the Rose Bowl game - then we would playing for the MNC. The Coliseum has been sold out for a long time. The bottom line is just fine. That's what they pay Pete Carroll for - making big money. So, Pete is doing a fantastic job.
And finally, probably more to apease his fellow workers, he submits a coaches poll. He probably tries to be as fair as possible. I'm sure that he fully understands that it is a complete meaningless waste of his time. Just like what I'm doing right now.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
Thanks for spending half your argument defending a conference playoff I never-not for one instant-spoke about or referenced.
Oh, and one more by the way, we all know the score, TT. We know how you started up when you came back this season. We knew it after you & I butted heads for the very first time. We all know it now.
Your gesticulations and windmill flailing here won't change it, either.
I could lower the discourse here and give it back to you like a tithe to the Catholic Church, 10-fold...But, that's been done ad nauseum, and it bores me. Especially doing it to you.
None of your responses, fraught with homoerotic yet gangster rap-esque undertones though they may be, will ever change that score.
Everyone here knows it. Everyone here has known it. Everyone here will continue to know it. No matter what you respond back with.
Most importantly, though, deep down, like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, in places you don't like talking about at parties or on fanboy message boards, you know it, too.
Keep flailing away at those windmills, and speed-dialing Jim Rome, though. Tool...
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Hey, check it out, little beatch. Not once did I come cryin' to you or anybody else, when the fire's were all over my area, and we had to evacuate several homes and family members. Yes, they started up about three miles from here, and burned into the directions of several of my families homes. My Grandmother's house was evacuated and saved. But, I did not once come on here, playing "drama queen" with any of you. In fact: you weren't gonna here it at all. But, you with your little punk azz, had to come on here and play the "drama card" for all. I wasn't too impressed - as we fight the fires all summer long. In fact, many, many times.
If your refering to all the sympathy that you garnered - your full of crap. I'll say the same thing as I said then, "If I'm not prepared to deal with the fires then I ought to move my sorry azz somewhere else". I still hold you to the same logic. If you don't like that - go ahead and tell your momma.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
I figured the truth would get under your skin...
Such a Tough Guy...
As to the rambling, nonsensical response, it's obvious you're hurt, and you're flailing wildly now, trying to land a haymaker. Rest assured, you're still completely off the plot, here, as well.
You see, TT, I have friends in LA who went and volunteered after the fires. One of them is down from Los Angeles right now, as a matter of fact. So, I can appreciate and empathize with your situation.
But, I didn't come whining about it here. You brought up the Hurricanes and how you wished they would've wiped everyone out down here.
I guess I don't have enough "ballzack" to come out and make some outlandish cutdown at a person using a natural disaster in order to try to make it stick.
Sorry I don't go that route. It's probably some incredibly emasculating character flaw known as empathy for those less fortunate, or who are going through adversity.
I'll try to stoop lower next time, just for you. I think I'll have to remove my backbone first, though. I think that's how you accomplished it.
Have a nice day, TT...
Oh, and by the way...it's "estrogen", Tommy_T...SpellCheck is your frien'...
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
Last I checked there wasn't spellcheck on the route I use to post. I don't feel the need to cut and paste into word or something similar and would appreciate it if it wasn't suggested that spelling was a requirement on fanblogs.
That said I want to piss no one off but there is only one national champion per year since we set out on this godforsaken BCS path. I hate the BCS but that is why it exists and goddammit we will have only one of the two teams that make it to the final game. The pac-10 signed on and needs to return 2003-2008's BCS bowl revenues if it thinks they should be claiming national championships in years they did not send teams to the game.
That is what this is really about this angst between you two! I am not an LSU fan and find myself crazed at the suggestion that the last years are meaningless as well as stupid. I don't care what the press says we will have some benefit to this inane BCS or I WILL YANK ALL OF MY HAIR OUT! be warned.
Granting extra national championships may become acceptable for undefeated teams overlooked by the BCS NC game.
The following data is unforgiveable of extra granted national championships!
09-27-2003 USC 31 California (6 LOSS CAL) 34 Berkeley, CA
Of course this is my opinion only.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
FSU_Ben:
Didn't LSU lose a game that year? Why are you so one sided? Bet whoever that LSU lost to didn't have Aaron Rodgers playing QB for them either. Bet you didn't even see the game - did you? Of course not. Aaron Rodgers completed 22 straight passes in the game and Cal was able to win in overtime. It was probably the greatest game I've ever seen a QB play. Vince Young played the other one. That's about what it took. Bet it didn't take that to beat LSU - did it?
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
We lost to a 9-4 Florida team that year.
Not to a Cal team that finished below .500
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Oh, I see, that made you better. Why didn't I think of that. Is that somewhere in the BCS bylaws or NCAA rules? Any team that lost to some other team that had a better record must be better than the other team so you must rank them higher accordingly. Geez, isn't this exactly the stupidity that we're always talking about. Doesn't seem to me that a 9-4 Florida team was much better than a 9-4 Oregon State team - does it? Only when it suits you.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
So wait...You are the one that tried to "compare losses", not me.
I pointed out what happened, and clarified what you were uninformed about.
But, when you edged out onto the limb, and I corrected you, suddenly I'm the one pushing an agenda?
You are teetering on the edge of becoming a joke, TT...Sincerely.
YOU did the comparison, TT, not me.
No one else is bringing up Oregon State. I'm discussing a very specific topic that YOU brought up.
I have not said a single peep about USC in specific in the past few days in terms of how they undressed the Nittany Lions. I addressed the relative merits of the PAC-10 as a whole in Bowl Games.
You seem easily confused, and even more easily agitated. I get a kick out of how hard you are trying, though.
You get an A for effort. It's just the F for substance that's stuck in your craw, huh, buddy?
:)
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
No, your the one lacking any substance. And, I'm not the one who is uninformed. Why don't you tell us all about the circumstances of the loss to that 9-4 Florida team. Then, we might all understand a little bit more. I do know that a sophmore QB named Leak was at the helm. I also know that he had a really plain year. Tell us all a little bit more...
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
SEC Freshman record 6-3 record, Freshman All-SEC, Freshman All-American...
He beat LSU & Georgia that year, who both ended the year in the Top 5...
How's that? LOL!
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Looks like three other teams that were not # 1 handled him fairly well. Why couldn't LSU beat him?
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
Why couldn't USC handle Cal like the other 6 teams they lost to that year?
Like Kansas State? Colorado State? Utah? Oregon State? UCLA? Oregon?
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Sorry, my bad, I almost gave LSU too much credit. That was until I remembered that Leak was only a freshman. Kinda like your pathetic QB's and the ones at Ohio State and Michigan were. Yep, that Florida team must have been really hard to beat.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
So...Freshman All SEC, Freshman All-Americans, and kids who set all-time conference marks for Won/Loss records are "really plain" huh?
I'm taking notes, TT...Keep going...I feel like I'm in the presence of some collegiate football equivalent of Yoda, here...
Continue, oh wise one...
[snicker]
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Sometimes I wonder if your gay? You might be my beeatch - but I am not your daddy. You really ought to go find somebody else to take it all out on. I'd flip you a hundred dollar bill, throw you my truck keys, and tell you to go dancin' - if I thought that you might really leave.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
Was that your no mas moment?
LOL...No more facts and stats left to stand on, eh?
FAIL...
DuckCanuck
· 11 months ago
I'm relatively new to this community. Is TT normally like this, or did he just decide to post while drunk tonight?
Ben Prather
· 11 months ago
Can I anser both?
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
I am not one sided. I would have put USC in that game. They got gyped out of a chance and that sucks but if the BCS has accomplished anything it has to be one champion per year. Oklahoma was poop and it was bizzare that they made it but they did. It is a situation that cannot be rectified with an AP national championship it can be rectified with a playoff.
Admitedly I did NOT see the game I don't get to see a lot of west coast football I get to see about 3 USC games a year and bowl. This year I got to see oregon state though! I was amazed with Jaquizz Rodgers but really thought USC would pull it out given the obviously dominant talent (even in that game).
I have gotten to watch two of USC's past 4 losses which is luck (so to speak) since I get to see so little.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
FSU_Ben:
Who really cares? Does it really matter? Did we prove that USC was # 1? No way! We didn't play LSU or Oklahoma. Did LSU prove that they were really the best? I don't think so. They did not have to play the team that was ranked # 1 by the AP all year. They got to play Oklahoma instead. So, did anybody really prove who was # 1? No. It didn't happen. It was just one more joke of a year by the BCS. That's all it was. Who really cares? I don't. I didn't vote. But, a whole lot of sportswriters got really upset, that soome computer undermined the game that they wanted to see. That's what happened. Don't blame USC either. It's not our fault either. What should we have done - lost to Michigan just to make everything OK for the BCS and LSU? Was that the answer? Why do we constantly have to hear this drivvle?
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
If you don't care, then why did you try to compare losses between USC's and LSU's earlier?
I am confused as to how you can post about the relative merits of your loss that year, yet at the same time not really care about it, and get tired of hearing about it...
Either way, this thread is getting the "Skinny post syndrome", and I think I've jerked your chain enough...
G'night, TT...
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
Now it looks like two sentances are a freakin book with all this identation!
I'm replying on a higher post to get some space to reply without adding 2 feet of scrolldown to the thread.
I do not mind giving up the topic of USC not winning or winning a NC in 2003 but I want to make sure both sides do so.
The fact is the AP pulled out of the BCS in some attempt, I guess, to be above it or look better than it just 1 or 2 seasons before. They claimed the reason they had done so was so that thier votes would not influence who played in the national championship game. To then claim a national championship, because you got robbed, from someone who claimed they wanted no part in selecting who got to play in the game in the first place shortly beforehand makes no sense to me.
It also is quite perturbing because it detracts from LSU who did all the right things to earn thier crystal ball. I was oversees in the Army at the time and got to watch one football game that year (a florida loss) so all I have to look at are records. I got back into college football when I got out of the Army the next year and all I heard was 2003 USC national championship blah blah 2004 repeat. (I had limited news!) I was watching a LSU game and it had a flagpole on the camera with pennants representing the national championships LSU had won and at the top was a one that read 2003.... I said to brother "I thought USC won in 2003" the next two years that is all the media ever said or talked about. People barely remember LSU won the actual national championship game that year! To take away from such a great achievement from a group of fans and the kids that played in the game is unfair to say the least. That isn't USC's fault but a lot of USC fans I chatted with during the rose bowl kept talking about 2 time national champions recently. A quick survey revealed they didn't even know LSU had won the national championship during one of the years they were claiming they had. They didn't even know they were claiming a dual national championship.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
"But, I didn't come whining about it here. You brought up the Hurricanes and how you wished they would've wiped everyone out down here"
I made no such statement. Go find it. You can't. It never happened. You got all hysterical and made it all up.
I made mention of the fact that you might have to be praying to the Trojan God Zeus to get you off your own rooftop. That really hurt your feelings. I said that if you ever played the Trojans you'd pee down your leg way more than it's rainin' there right now. Somehow, you spun that into that I had no empathy for what was happening there. If your life was in so much peril - what were you doing blogging all night long for? I didn't buy it then - and I still don't buy any of it now.
The fact remains: if LSU ever has to play USC, by the end of the 1st quarter, your gonna be peein' on yourself more than any hurricane ever could.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
Because the edit buttons don't work, here, all of the sudden, Tommy? You wouldn't have gone back and cleaned those messages up, huh?
To be honest, I don't know if you did, but don't play all innocent now, Tommy.
I was out of power from early Monday morning until Thursday of that week, TT. I'd like to be shown where I posted from 9/1/08-9/5/08.
I can show you a post from Kevin where he's wondering if I'm alright, and if anyone's heard from me, since I wasn't posting.
You won't find it because I didn't have power, and I was involved in things a tad more important to my life than FanBlogs.
Please don't act like a revisionist historian here, TT. We all know what was said, when, where, why, and in the proper context.
Once again, no matter how hard you try, the score just doesn't change, does it, Tough Guy?
You can't buy something that's not for sale, Tommy. Take another shot at that windmill, there, Don_Quixote_Trojan...
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Constantly spinnin' it - arent you? Man, you know as well as I do that you have a very short time to edit anything. Those posts were left there forever. You didn't start really ballin' until the next day on most of them. Now, since you know they never happened that way, without bothering to look - you've decided to let everybody think that I had edited them. That's good. Your a standup guy. Don't forget to cross your legs when you sit back down though.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
You crack me up...and by the way, I do not know anything about old threads. I didn't destroy braincells like some folks do (not saying you, Mr. Sensitivity), and I'm pretty comfortable with my own memory & recollection.
I just find it odd that you dredged all of this stuff up...
You obviously have had a burr under your saddle regarding this subject for what...4 months and counting now?
It's sort've funny, and sad...all at the same time.
It's okay. After seeing what you said, I stopped taking you-or your takes-seriously, long ago.
You just seem to love to keep taking the short end of the stick, though...Sort've a glutton for punishment, aren't you?
Enjoy the last word, Tough Guy...
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Oh, By the way, I am very pleased that LSU Big win over Georgia Tech has allowed you to don your sack again. Now, if you'll just take off your momma's undergarments, everything might just be able to return to normal. You can quit taking the estrogin also. I think your team is gonna be just fine next year.
sooner777
· 11 months ago
tommy_trojan, you and that cry-baby Carroll are the punks! USC is not bigger than the game bitch. It was fine when you guys got in right? Now its not? Freak beat Oregon St and Stanford and then argue your case punk.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
sooner777:
Your the punk azz and your gonna get demolished by Florida - just like when we destroyed you 55-19. Your team belongs in no Big game period. You got the breaks, boy! You play in a weak conference that plays no defense - just to your liking. Well, I gotz some news for, FLORIDA DOES PLAY DEFENSE! Your team goes down. And, anytime that we play you, your gonna go down again. Remember that I said it. And, try not to wonder too hard why it all happened. It's called way overhyped and it's been going on with Oklahoma for way too long of a time.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Yep, just call me Roberto Duran from now on. Your blows are just so punishing. It's kinda like getting into a scrap with Hector "Macho" Camacho. Your hard to pin down, but eventually, your gonna get that big right hand.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 11 months ago
Ben - Question for you. Do you think the .mtn has hurt the exposure for the MWC? Do you think the MWC would garner more respect if the distribution for the games were increased (a la the fox regional deal or more than one MWC game released to ESPN?)
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
I realize you weren't asking me but ESPN offered them (the MWC) a crappy package and the MWC thought they could do better with thier own channel as well as not having to give in to ESPN's demands they play on off days (TWRF). They are apparently making more money. I think it offers a recruiting advantage too. I would like to actually watch the games and they don't offer it on local cable so maybe it is hurting the exposure (public opinion).
That said the Utah AG is considering sueing the BCS on anti trust issues (conspiracy to create a monopoly). That should give them some exposure eh? He is also considering sueing the WAC and MWC for signing on to the BCS (as every conference has done you AP "national championship" wieners!). Here is hoping we post some discussion on this!
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 11 months ago
Lawsuits and congressional investigations have become commonplace... and never hold up. It's just a way to get some media attention.
Ben Prather
· 11 months ago
Yes it hurt. With Harris voters stating they did not watch the game, the lack of media exposure allowed preconceived ideas to go unchecked with the realities on the field.
The MWC had more games televised than ever, but a large portion would only be seen by direct TV subscribers with the sports pack. Alternatively, they could be seen by fans willing to go to Buffalo Wild Wings or the like.
CBS now owns half of the mtn. so I would not be surprised to see a few Saturday night MWC games on CBS next year, after the prime time SEC games. I will be amazed if the mtn. is not picked up by the Dish Network for next year, especially now that it can offer HD.
A much bigger issue was that EPSN only hypes the games they have. All bowl season it was will USC make a stake at the BCS title in the Rose Bowl, no talk of the other BCS bowls. The season was no different.
How often did ESPN talk up Boise State, Ball State, Tulsa compared to Utah? Which was the better team? ESPN talked up the first three because they had their games to sell add space throughout the week.
For selling out to for a lower price than it costs to start and run your own network they got TV exposure and an ESPN promotion package.
Did it cost Utah the NCG? Very unlikely.
As for respect, I think the shock on the faces the analysts after the Sugar Bowl spoke for itself.
We may not be the best team in the nation, but we will be ready to play anyone.
Wardboy3
· 11 months ago
So what would happen if he turned in a ballot that had UTAH #1 and the rest was blank? i guess it would be thrown out?
What if he had the winner of the Fla/OK game as #2? They said they will count #2 - #25. Do they now skip #1 & #2?
Ben Prather
· 11 months ago
He won't. He will cast a ballot with the teams arranged as he believes them to be. That includes Utah #1. Likely this will have the BCS champion as #2.
Wouldn't it be unethical to cast a ballot your did not beleive in?
FanoftheGame
· 11 months ago
If Florida beats OU in the MNC game, Utah should have as much right, if not more so than UF to claim the NC by virtue of dominating an Alabama team that was supposedly good enough to vault Florida into the BCS title game by virtue of losing the SEC championship game. The Utes and Gators would share a common opponent on a neutral field late in the season in which the Utes dominated while the Gators had to come from behind to win. Not to mention the Gators were favored to beat the Tide and the Utes were huge underdogs.
Whether or not Utah could beat the Gators is another story. A story that the BCS doesn't want to see, but one that a playoff system would demand if they both continued to win. No disrespect to Forida, they have a great team this year.
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
So, given that coaches aren't supposed to vote for #1 teams, just the #2-25, what will Mack Brown do? If he votes Texas #1, it won't be counted anyway.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
What will Mack Brown do? Other than look like Sherrif Roscoe P. Coltrane from The Dukes of Hazzard? I dunno...that's a tough one...
Tom_Blogical
· 11 months ago
ROTFL! Coo, coo, coo, dem BCS boys done it again! Come on, Flash! (Ugh...I hate that show and still remember that garbage.)
Tom22
· 11 months ago
Without a playoff we can't have a National Champion.
Even with a playoff the Champion would be the game winner...due to good or bad luck or exceptional play even the winner might not be the best team but they would undisputably be able to be the winner.
Trying to infuse a certainty on a situation where teams don't play each other is sort of a farce.
A split decision wouldn't be a failure of the system but it would reflect the reality of the season and the opinion of the poll that ranked the team #1.
The coaches poll should reflect the opinion of the coaches.
The BCS game winner is...the BCS champion.
Who was the best team is a matter of individual opinion.
We don't really know if Utah would beat Florida or Oklahoma. (or USC for that matter).
If the title "national champion" is a reward for the best season its hard to compare a perfect record vs a one loss team with a slightly harder schedual.
I don't think a plus one system would clarify things. I don't think we're going to get an 8 (or 16) team playoff.
So we may as well have a system where the title is often spread between a few teams and only give a team an undisputed title where its really the opinion of each of the half a dozen polls.
The Trojan fans seem to forget that the last two years SC has gotten the breaks to win the Pac 1. I mean the Pac 10. First Dixon goes down after smacking SC, then Rodgers gets hurt! So let's remember their lack of dominance, something the losers at ESPN seem to have forgotten..
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
You cannot use facts that USC & other PAC-1(0) fans don't want to use in the discussion.
At the point in time where you begin to counter their information with factual data of your own, they shut down, and immediately begin to talk as if they learned most of the adjectives in their vocabulary from the urinal stall wall at their local truck stop.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
sooner777:
Here's a fact for you, azzwipe! John Booty broke his hand in the Stanford game and threw four interceptions. Mark Sanchez had to play the Oregon game and we lost that one also. Seems as if Stanford and Oregon got "the breaks", jerk off!
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
LSU won both of its two games with its backup quarterback...One was Middle Tennessee...They were garbage...
The other was a 10-4 Tennessee team...
I guess you could say LSU overcame adversity, while USC just succumbed to it...
That's the difference between a National Champion, and a Rose Bowl Champion, huh? Too bad we "ducked" ya'll last year, too...
I should stop, huh? This is just too easy, at this point...
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
TE:
Tennessee was garbage also.
TigerEducated
· 11 months ago
6th toughest schedule in the country, victories over three ranked teams (Georgia, South Carolina, & Wisconsin), finished 10-4, Eastern Division Champion, won their Bowl game against a Top 20 Wisconsin team, and ranked #12 nationally.
Keep going...I'm having fun with this...LOL...
DuckCanuck
· 11 months ago
Tommy_Trojan:
Were you not constantly referring to TigerEducated and others as pimps, beatches, jerk offs and "azzwipes", it might lend you and your arguments a little more credibility (not to mention readability).
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
DuckCanuck:
The answer to one of your other posts is that, me and TE, have somewhat of an adversarial relationship. Most people might not understand it - and they probably ought to just not try. We had a "hijacker" from Oklahoma butt in, and it's unfortunate, but he had to be dealt with in the same manner that TE likes it.
"Some men you just can't reach, which is the way that he want's it, well then he gets it. I don't like this anymore than you men do". These are the famous excerpts from the movie "Cool hand Luke". Tiger Educated fancies himself as Luke. TE would also eat a hundred eggs to prove a point. In this case, he'll post a hundred times, to win the argument. It's a sad tale - but I do believe that he has been seriously neglected as a child. I've tried to get him help, but as you well know, he can't get it until he's ready.
DuckCanuck
· 11 months ago
Haha. Thanks for the clarification. I won't be any further trouble.
Tommy_Trojan
· 11 months ago
DuckCanuck:
Hey, I really appreciated the lessons in etticut, but I didn't call anybody a "pimp". I told my beeatch TE, that if he didn't behave, I might have to reach out with this big ol' pimp hand and teach him some respect. And, besides, my arguments have no credibility as you say.
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Geaux Tigers
Geaux SEC
In all cases, like 2003, it is an intentional act of civil disobediance.
The overwhelming majority of coaches will follow the AFCA guidelines as agreed to before the season.
Utah WILL NOT be #1 in the coaches poll.
I would be shocked if Pete Carroll does not vote Utah # 1. I am absolutely convinced that he will do this - as it would be very hypocritical not to. If he doesn't choose Utah, he will most assuredly pick USC. He absolutely disdains the BCS. Look for one of these two scenarios to happen. The only reason he may not, is if either Florida or Oklahoma, put on some kinda display that leaves no doubt in anybody's mind.
Why did he rail against the system in 2003, yet in 2004, when included in the final game, did he say, "It's the system we've agreed to?"
The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth, anytime its convenient for him to do so.
Where's his bleeding heart for 14-0 Auburn that year?
Azzwipe, he said this: "It's the system we've agreed to?" We've doesn't mean him. He wasn't even involved in college football in 1998. He did not agree to any of this. He thinks it's all BS - just like I think that you are a freakin' punk. He can't give back "the vaunted Chrystal Ball". Clearly, we Trojan fan's more than you, understand that we did not play the most deserving team in the land after handing Oklahoma their azz 55-19. Surely, Auburn or Utah, would have made for a more worthy opponent in that year. We don't really care about chrystal - jerk off! We'd just as soon beat your punk azz down anytime and anywhere. That's all that it's all about. We don't care about Rose Bowls, Orange Bowls, Sugar Bowls, Fiesta Bowls or MNC games. All we want to do is get your sorry azzez on the field. Get it?
As far as the actual substance of your post. After weeding through the idiocy (Damn, that's 3 tri-syllabic words in response; you must've gotten the best of me!)
Just curious, when has Pete tried to change the system? Cobble together support? Rallied his conference around moving towards a playoff? I can tell you I haven't seen any articles where he's tried to gather steam to effect change. Can you point any out to me?
I can point out a few articles to you where the Big 10 and the PAC-10 have stood in the way of the system he rails against. Has he spoken out against them?
I almost included a parenthetical caveat to my post that said (Please commence with inane, immature, rambling response that has little to do with subject matter at hand, instead focusing almost completely on juvenile banter), but I thought better of it. I knew you'd acquiesce, whether I goaded you or not.
Oh, and one more thing...Why would Pete Carroll bother-or care about-voting in a poll if all its about is beating "azzez" on the field? Clarify that for me, would you?
I had asked you to remove your panties and don some men's briefs before confronting me again. Don't make me take this Big Ol' Pimp Hand out and smack you back down. Nevertheless, I will try and speak to you, as if you were my own personal beeatch.
Why do we need a playoff system for the PAC 10? What does it accomplish? Oh, we could possibly have another idiotic "upset" on occasion, where the loser actually backs into the MNC game. Do you remember that Oklahoma and Nebraska have both accomplished this? What purpose does it serve in the PAC 10? We all know who the Conference Champion is. It's been that way for awhile now. We all play each team in the conference, all nine of them, and there isn't any reason to give somebody a 2nd chance. You get one here. You either win or go home. That's the way it is.
What is it that Pete Carroll can do to change the system? All we can do is beat every BCS team that we ever play. We can only expose the system for the complete joke that it is. Furthermore, this is a business, and we are doing very well. We probably make more money playing in the Rose Bowl game - then we would playing for the MNC. The Coliseum has been sold out for a long time. The bottom line is just fine. That's what they pay Pete Carroll for - making big money. So, Pete is doing a fantastic job.
And finally, probably more to apease his fellow workers, he submits a coaches poll. He probably tries to be as fair as possible. I'm sure that he fully understands that it is a complete meaningless waste of his time. Just like what I'm doing right now.
Oh, and one more by the way, we all know the score, TT. We know how you started up when you came back this season. We knew it after you & I butted heads for the very first time. We all know it now.
Your gesticulations and windmill flailing here won't change it, either.
I could lower the discourse here and give it back to you like a tithe to the Catholic Church, 10-fold...But, that's been done ad nauseum, and it bores me. Especially doing it to you.
None of your responses, fraught with homoerotic yet gangster rap-esque undertones though they may be, will ever change that score.
Everyone here knows it. Everyone here has known it. Everyone here will continue to know it. No matter what you respond back with.
Most importantly, though, deep down, like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, in places you don't like talking about at parties or on fanboy message boards, you know it, too.
Keep flailing away at those windmills, and speed-dialing Jim Rome, though. Tool...
Hey, check it out, little beatch. Not once did I come cryin' to you or anybody else, when the fire's were all over my area, and we had to evacuate several homes and family members. Yes, they started up about three miles from here, and burned into the directions of several of my families homes. My Grandmother's house was evacuated and saved. But, I did not once come on here, playing "drama queen" with any of you. In fact: you weren't gonna here it at all. But, you with your little punk azz, had to come on here and play the "drama card" for all. I wasn't too impressed - as we fight the fires all summer long. In fact, many, many times.
If your refering to all the sympathy that you garnered - your full of crap. I'll say the same thing as I said then, "If I'm not prepared to deal with the fires then I ought to move my sorry azz somewhere else". I still hold you to the same logic. If you don't like that - go ahead and tell your momma.
Such a Tough Guy...
As to the rambling, nonsensical response, it's obvious you're hurt, and you're flailing wildly now, trying to land a haymaker. Rest assured, you're still completely off the plot, here, as well.
You see, TT, I have friends in LA who went and volunteered after the fires. One of them is down from Los Angeles right now, as a matter of fact. So, I can appreciate and empathize with your situation.
But, I didn't come whining about it here. You brought up the Hurricanes and how you wished they would've wiped everyone out down here.
I guess I don't have enough "ballzack" to come out and make some outlandish cutdown at a person using a natural disaster in order to try to make it stick.
Sorry I don't go that route. It's probably some incredibly emasculating character flaw known as empathy for those less fortunate, or who are going through adversity.
I'll try to stoop lower next time, just for you. I think I'll have to remove my backbone first, though. I think that's how you accomplished it.
Have a nice day, TT...
Oh, and by the way...it's "estrogen", Tommy_T...SpellCheck is your frien'...
That said I want to piss no one off but there is only one national champion per year since we set out on this godforsaken BCS path. I hate the BCS but that is why it exists and goddammit we will have only one of the two teams that make it to the final game. The pac-10 signed on and needs to return 2003-2008's BCS bowl revenues if it thinks they should be claiming national championships in years they did not send teams to the game.
That is what this is really about this angst between you two! I am not an LSU fan and find myself crazed at the suggestion that the last years are meaningless as well as stupid. I don't care what the press says we will have some benefit to this inane BCS or I WILL YANK ALL OF MY HAIR OUT! be warned.
Granting extra national championships may become acceptable for undefeated teams overlooked by the BCS NC game.
The following data is unforgiveable of extra granted national championships!
09-27-2003
USC
31
California (6 LOSS CAL)
34
Berkeley, CA
Of course this is my opinion only.
Didn't LSU lose a game that year? Why are you so one sided? Bet whoever that LSU lost to didn't have Aaron Rodgers playing QB for them either. Bet you didn't even see the game - did you? Of course not. Aaron Rodgers completed 22 straight passes in the game and Cal was able to win in overtime. It was probably the greatest game I've ever seen a QB play. Vince Young played the other one. That's about what it took. Bet it didn't take that to beat LSU - did it?
Not to a Cal team that finished below .500
Oh, I see, that made you better. Why didn't I think of that. Is that somewhere in the BCS bylaws or NCAA rules? Any team that lost to some other team that had a better record must be better than the other team so you must rank them higher accordingly. Geez, isn't this exactly the stupidity that we're always talking about. Doesn't seem to me that a 9-4 Florida team was much better than a 9-4 Oregon State team - does it? Only when it suits you.
I pointed out what happened, and clarified what you were uninformed about.
But, when you edged out onto the limb, and I corrected you, suddenly I'm the one pushing an agenda?
You are teetering on the edge of becoming a joke, TT...Sincerely.
YOU did the comparison, TT, not me.
No one else is bringing up Oregon State. I'm discussing a very specific topic that YOU brought up.
I have not said a single peep about USC in specific in the past few days in terms of how they undressed the Nittany Lions. I addressed the relative merits of the PAC-10 as a whole in Bowl Games.
You seem easily confused, and even more easily agitated. I get a kick out of how hard you are trying, though.
You get an A for effort. It's just the F for substance that's stuck in your craw, huh, buddy?
:)
No, your the one lacking any substance. And, I'm not the one who is uninformed. Why don't you tell us all about the circumstances of the loss to that 9-4 Florida team. Then, we might all understand a little bit more. I do know that a sophmore QB named Leak was at the helm. I also know that he had a really plain year. Tell us all a little bit more...
He beat LSU & Georgia that year, who both ended the year in the Top 5...
How's that? LOL!
Looks like three other teams that were not # 1 handled him fairly well. Why couldn't LSU beat him?
Like Kansas State? Colorado State? Utah? Oregon State? UCLA? Oregon?
Sorry, my bad, I almost gave LSU too much credit. That was until I remembered that Leak was only a freshman. Kinda like your pathetic QB's and the ones at Ohio State and Michigan were. Yep, that Florida team must have been really hard to beat.
I'm taking notes, TT...Keep going...I feel like I'm in the presence of some collegiate football equivalent of Yoda, here...
Continue, oh wise one...
[snicker]
Sometimes I wonder if your gay? You might be my beeatch - but I am not your daddy. You really ought to go find somebody else to take it all out on. I'd flip you a hundred dollar bill, throw you my truck keys, and tell you to go dancin' - if I thought that you might really leave.
LOL...No more facts and stats left to stand on, eh?
FAIL...
Admitedly I did NOT see the game I don't get to see a lot of west coast football I get to see about 3 USC games a year and bowl. This year I got to see oregon state though! I was amazed with Jaquizz Rodgers but really thought USC would pull it out given the obviously dominant talent (even in that game).
I have gotten to watch two of USC's past 4 losses which is luck (so to speak) since I get to see so little.
Who really cares? Does it really matter? Did we prove that USC was # 1? No way! We didn't play LSU or Oklahoma. Did LSU prove that they were really the best? I don't think so. They did not have to play the team that was ranked # 1 by the AP all year. They got to play Oklahoma instead. So, did anybody really prove who was # 1? No. It didn't happen. It was just one more joke of a year by the BCS. That's all it was. Who really cares? I don't. I didn't vote. But, a whole lot of sportswriters got really upset, that soome computer undermined the game that they wanted to see. That's what happened. Don't blame USC either. It's not our fault either. What should we have done - lost to Michigan just to make everything OK for the BCS and LSU? Was that the answer? Why do we constantly have to hear this drivvle?
I am confused as to how you can post about the relative merits of your loss that year, yet at the same time not really care about it, and get tired of hearing about it...
Either way, this thread is getting the "Skinny post syndrome", and I think I've jerked your chain enough...
G'night, TT...
I'm replying on a higher post to get some space to reply without adding 2 feet of scrolldown to the thread.
I do not mind giving up the topic of USC not winning or winning a NC in 2003 but I want to make sure both sides do so.
The fact is the AP pulled out of the BCS in some attempt, I guess, to be above it or look better than it just 1 or 2 seasons before. They claimed the reason they had done so was so that thier votes would not influence who played in the national championship game. To then claim a national championship, because you got robbed, from someone who claimed they wanted no part in selecting who got to play in the game in the first place shortly beforehand makes no sense to me.
It also is quite perturbing because it detracts from LSU who did all the right things to earn thier crystal ball. I was oversees in the Army at the time and got to watch one football game that year (a florida loss) so all I have to look at are records. I got back into college football when I got out of the Army the next year and all I heard was 2003 USC national championship blah blah 2004 repeat. (I had limited news!) I was watching a LSU game and it had a flagpole on the camera with pennants representing the national championships LSU had won and at the top was a one that read 2003.... I said to brother "I thought USC won in 2003" the next two years that is all the media ever said or talked about. People barely remember LSU won the actual national championship game that year! To take away from such a great achievement from a group of fans and the kids that played in the game is unfair to say the least. That isn't USC's fault but a lot of USC fans I chatted with during the rose bowl kept talking about 2 time national champions recently. A quick survey revealed they didn't even know LSU had won the national championship during one of the years they were claiming they had. They didn't even know they were claiming a dual national championship.
"But, I didn't come whining about it here. You brought up the Hurricanes and how you wished they would've wiped everyone out down here"
I made no such statement. Go find it. You can't. It never happened. You got all hysterical and made it all up.
I made mention of the fact that you might have to be praying to the Trojan God Zeus to get you off your own rooftop. That really hurt your feelings. I said that if you ever played the Trojans you'd pee down your leg way more than it's rainin' there right now. Somehow, you spun that into that I had no empathy for what was happening there. If your life was in so much peril - what were you doing blogging all night long for? I didn't buy it then - and I still don't buy any of it now.
The fact remains: if LSU ever has to play USC, by the end of the 1st quarter, your gonna be peein' on yourself more than any hurricane ever could.
To be honest, I don't know if you did, but don't play all innocent now, Tommy.
I was out of power from early Monday morning until Thursday of that week, TT. I'd like to be shown where I posted from 9/1/08-9/5/08.
I can show you a post from Kevin where he's wondering if I'm alright, and if anyone's heard from me, since I wasn't posting.
You won't find it because I didn't have power, and I was involved in things a tad more important to my life than FanBlogs.
Please don't act like a revisionist historian here, TT. We all know what was said, when, where, why, and in the proper context.
Once again, no matter how hard you try, the score just doesn't change, does it, Tough Guy?
You can't buy something that's not for sale, Tommy. Take another shot at that windmill, there, Don_Quixote_Trojan...
Constantly spinnin' it - arent you? Man, you know as well as I do that you have a very short time to edit anything. Those posts were left there forever. You didn't start really ballin' until the next day on most of them. Now, since you know they never happened that way, without bothering to look - you've decided to let everybody think that I had edited them. That's good. Your a standup guy. Don't forget to cross your legs when you sit back down though.
I just find it odd that you dredged all of this stuff up...
You obviously have had a burr under your saddle regarding this subject for what...4 months and counting now?
It's sort've funny, and sad...all at the same time.
It's okay. After seeing what you said, I stopped taking you-or your takes-seriously, long ago.
You just seem to love to keep taking the short end of the stick, though...Sort've a glutton for punishment, aren't you?
Enjoy the last word, Tough Guy...
Oh, By the way, I am very pleased that LSU Big win over Georgia Tech has allowed you to don your sack again. Now, if you'll just take off your momma's undergarments, everything might just be able to return to normal. You can quit taking the estrogin also. I think your team is gonna be just fine next year.
Your the punk azz and your gonna get demolished by Florida - just like when we destroyed you 55-19. Your team belongs in no Big game period. You got the breaks, boy! You play in a weak conference that plays no defense - just to your liking. Well, I gotz some news for, FLORIDA DOES PLAY DEFENSE! Your team goes down. And, anytime that we play you, your gonna go down again. Remember that I said it. And, try not to wonder too hard why it all happened. It's called way overhyped and it's been going on with Oklahoma for way too long of a time.
Yep, just call me Roberto Duran from now on. Your blows are just so punishing. It's kinda like getting into a scrap with Hector "Macho" Camacho. Your hard to pin down, but eventually, your gonna get that big right hand.
That said the Utah AG is considering sueing the BCS on anti trust issues (conspiracy to create a monopoly). That should give them some exposure eh? He is also considering sueing the WAC and MWC for signing on to the BCS (as every conference has done you AP "national championship" wieners!). Here is hoping we post some discussion on this!
The MWC had more games televised than ever, but a large portion would only be seen by direct TV subscribers with the sports pack. Alternatively, they could be seen by fans willing to go to Buffalo Wild Wings or the like.
CBS now owns half of the mtn. so I would not be surprised to see a few Saturday night MWC games on CBS next year, after the prime time SEC games. I will be amazed if the mtn. is not picked up by the Dish Network for next year, especially now that it can offer HD.
A much bigger issue was that EPSN only hypes the games they have. All bowl season it was will USC make a stake at the BCS title in the Rose Bowl, no talk of the other BCS bowls. The season was no different.
How often did ESPN talk up Boise State, Ball State, Tulsa compared to Utah? Which was the better team? ESPN talked up the first three because they had their games to sell add space throughout the week.
For selling out to for a lower price than it costs to start and run your own network they got TV exposure and an ESPN promotion package.
Did it cost Utah the NCG? Very unlikely.
As for respect, I think the shock on the faces the analysts after the Sugar Bowl spoke for itself.
We may not be the best team in the nation, but we will be ready to play anyone.
What if he had the winner of the Fla/OK game as #2? They said they will count #2 - #25. Do they now skip #1 & #2?
Wouldn't it be unethical to cast a ballot your did not beleive in?
Whether or not Utah could beat the Gators is another story. A story that the BCS doesn't want to see, but one that a playoff system would demand if they both continued to win.
No disrespect to Forida, they have a great team this year.
Even with a playoff the Champion would be the game winner...due to good or bad luck or exceptional play even the winner might not be the best team but they would undisputably be able to be the winner.
Trying to infuse a certainty on a situation where teams don't play each other is sort of a farce.
A split decision wouldn't be a failure of the system but it would reflect the reality of the season and the opinion of the poll that ranked the team #1.
The coaches poll should reflect the opinion of the coaches.
The BCS game winner is...the BCS champion.
Who was the best team is a matter of individual opinion.
We don't really know if Utah would beat Florida or Oklahoma. (or USC for that matter).
If the title "national champion" is a reward for the best season its hard to compare a perfect record vs a one loss team with a slightly harder schedual.
I don't think a plus one system would clarify things. I don't think we're going to get an 8 (or 16) team playoff.
So we may as well have a system where the title is often spread between a few teams and only give a team an undisputed title where its really the opinion of each of the half a dozen polls.
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At the point in time where you begin to counter their information with factual data of your own, they shut down, and immediately begin to talk as if they learned most of the adjectives in their vocabulary from the urinal stall wall at their local truck stop.
Here's a fact for you, azzwipe! John Booty broke his hand in the Stanford game and threw four interceptions. Mark Sanchez had to play the Oregon game and we lost that one also. Seems as if Stanford and Oregon got "the breaks", jerk off!
The other was a 10-4 Tennessee team...
I guess you could say LSU overcame adversity, while USC just succumbed to it...
That's the difference between a National Champion, and a Rose Bowl Champion, huh? Too bad we "ducked" ya'll last year, too...
I should stop, huh? This is just too easy, at this point...
Tennessee was garbage also.
Keep going...I'm having fun with this...LOL...
Were you not constantly referring to TigerEducated and others as pimps, beatches, jerk offs and "azzwipes", it might lend you and your arguments a little more credibility (not to mention readability).
The answer to one of your other posts is that, me and TE, have somewhat of an adversarial relationship. Most people might not understand it - and they probably ought to just not try. We had a "hijacker" from Oklahoma butt in, and it's unfortunate, but he had to be dealt with in the same manner that TE likes it.
"Some men you just can't reach, which is the way that he want's it, well then he gets it. I don't like this anymore than you men do". These are the famous excerpts from the movie "Cool hand Luke". Tiger Educated fancies himself as Luke. TE would also eat a hundred eggs to prove a point. In this case, he'll post a hundred times, to win the argument. It's a sad tale - but I do believe that he has been seriously neglected as a child. I've tried to get him help, but as you well know, he can't get it until he's ready.
Hey, I really appreciated the lessons in etticut, but I didn't call anybody a "pimp". I told my beeatch TE, that if he didn't behave, I might have to reach out with this big ol' pimp hand and teach him some respect. And, besides, my arguments have no credibility as you say.