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Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

Bevo_Boiler — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:10 -0000

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see anything that said why that one wouldn't be legit at the top of the thread.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

JB — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:22:53 -0000

what is a troll?

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:48:51 -0000

It's also the minimum-mandated time for you to NOT feed trolls--so they don't come back...

See? No more trolls...

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

JB — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:56:51 -0000

yea 5 days is plenty on this one

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

methomps — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:39:06 -0000

It would help if you didn't misuse the term "backdated."

From dictionary.com:

backdate - to date earlier than the actual date; predate; antedate: Backdate the letter so he'll think I wrote it last week.

Examples of titles that are backdated are those awarded solely by a selector that didn't exist at the time. For example, National Championship Foundation originated in 1980, but it awards NCs all the way back into 1886. Those NCs weren't awarded at the time. Dickinson actually existed in the late 20s and 30s, so those titles aren't backdated.

As for discounting Dickinson because you think the fact that it folded in 1940 makes less credible, that is a whole other debate from what you present. If we move to a playoff ten years from now and the AP folds up, will all those AP titles become 'backdated'? Here is what the 2007 Divison I Football Records Book, published by the NCAA, says about Dickinson:

Dickinson System (1926-40), a mathematical point system devised by Frank Dickinson, a professor of economics at Illinois. The annual Dickinson ratings were emblematic of the national championship and the basis for awarding the Rissman National Trophy and the Knute K. Rockne Intercollegiate Memorial Trophy. Notre Dame gained permanent possession of the Rissman Trophy (named for Jack F. Rissman, a Chicago clothing manufacturer) after its third victory in 1930. Minnesota retired the
Rockne Trophy (named in honor of the famous Notre Dame coach) after winning it for a third time in 1940.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:17:14 -0000

Is five days long enough? Okay. I'm over myself.

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Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:09:46 -0000

I stand by my assertions below. While the university may tell these selectors, "thank you for your championship. Hey everybody, we're their champ", the bottom line is that it is not officially claimed by the school for the record book. That would be ridiculous. All they were doing was essentially being gracious to acknowledge someone's accolades.

The only thing to be seen is if they try to sneak it in through the back door 30 years down the road. I hope they don't, but that's what many teams have done with their championships.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:00:22 -0000

The University doesn't claim it as an official title, period. Sure, two minor selectors chose Auburn as MNC, so they were someone's champions, but you will find no banner in the stadium or any official claim. So they got rings and maybe a trophy? Kinda like the trophy you got for participating in soccer? Yay!!!!

That ring on eBay was a 'sample'. The people who originally did those stories (like Pete Holiday) failed to disclose that. It didn't belong to a player, unlike the 20 SEC rings that belonged to Georgia's players.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

Kevin @ Fanblogs — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:48:49 -0000

I gotta side with GoDawgs here. Auburn had rings made, had a flag made, and even a custom logo for the "people's champion" moniker. I wish someone at Fanblogs had blogged it back then. OH WAIT! I did.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

1Tomcat — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:00:39 -0000

My mistake Ben your in Panama City.
Big Red is a kids soft drink, real sweet with caffine, taste like bubble gum or something you probably wouldn't like it.
Panama city looks like my kind of place, probably a bit touristy kinda like Port Aransas Texas Great Seafood & fishing, right.
Probably a stark contrast from Utah.
Adios Tomcat
P.S. Bluebell homemade vanilla goes good ontop of dewberry cobbler

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

GoDawgs — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:37:25 -0000

His stance is this: OMG I HATE ALABAMA SOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!

I'm waiting for him to find something about Georgia to latch on to. That's the best thing about the barners: they are defined by their hatred for other schools because they have so little of their own accomplishments to cheer for.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

GoDawgs — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:29:38 -0000

Let me see if I understand what you're suggesting here: Auburn had "NATIONAL CHAMPION" rings made for "a couple" of players, but that doesn't constitute "claiming" a national title.

First of all, the idea that the whole team didn't get rings that said "NATIONAL CHAMPION" on them is ridiculous. Second, I'm not sure how giving yourself a self-congratulatory token wouldn't constitute "claiming." Third, the reason we all found out about this little gem from API was because one of the rings showed up on eBay.

I guess the difference between Auburn and Alabama is that at least the bammers have the balls to put their claims in their media guide rather than just handing out rings and hoping nobody finds out.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

BallDogs1 — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:37:59 -0000

Yo Tampa Gator guy, how you doin'?
Jr. safety Dorian Munroe,outn knee mussed up
Sr. John Curtis, out, something. Yea I know Curtis
Jerimy Finch, out, transferred. wants nothing to do with FSU
Jamar Hornsby, credit card fraud, Ashley Slonina desecrated
Good Luck Buddy, you're gonna need it!

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

Ben Prather — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:00:15 -0000

My Utah days are all fond memories. Red Rock I believe you will only find in Salt Lake, where it is made.

I have not seen Big Red here in Panama City FL, but then I have not looked very hard.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:11:22 -0000

It's not a 'clout' rating as much as it's a 'virtual age' for this site. Looks like you're just born. I'm just hoping to get mine above barely legal...

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

1Tomcat — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:35:26 -0000

Thanks for the Info Ben
Big Red & Dr Pepper both started in Waco
Big Red goes good with BBQ brisket
Can you get Shiner beer up there, if so try 99
The kids said they also miss Blue Bell ice cream
I'll try to look for Red Rock beer next time I'm in the Capitol or Alamo city.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

Ben Prather — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:26:27 -0000

If you mouse over a name an annoying window appears blocking the entire comment that was made (unless Zac, WEA or I went on a diatribe).

Under the avatar in the window is a number in an orange box related to the number of up and down arrows (next to your name) people have hit you with.

I have never heard of Big Red Soda until now. Apparently it is a local product of Waco Texas. They might have a good untapped market in Nebraska and Utah.

The only red colored soda I ever had in Utah was birch beer from the Red Rock Brewing Company.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

1Tomcat — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:04:48 -0000

Hey Ben
My stepbrother and his family just came down from Utah, they said that the Oil feilds are booming up there.
The kids also said that there is no Big Red soda water.
I've enjoyed reading your threads and post and like to hear from MWC fans. I really dont understand this point thing that WEA is refering too.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

War_Eagle_Atlanta — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:45:59 -0000

Because Maryland took the AP and UP crowns that year. ND did take a majority of selectors, so based on that fact, they claim it. Under my criteria, if you don't have one of the big two, you don't have a MNC.

Granted, it is less certain about the credibility of MNCs awarded long ago at that time. For example, I don't know at what point ND decided to start claiming 1953 as a title. Was it immediately, or did they wait a few years or decades. I wish I knew...

Regardless, who/when/why teams claim MNCs is very inconsistent. I'm trying to impose some order and sense on what is essentially chaos, so I'm bound to get virtually everybody disagreeing with me.

It would be nice if the NCAA one day set some guidleines, but it might be that they lack any sort of jurisdiction over it. A MNC in 1-A never was their baby, and they probably don't want the flak.

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

Bevo_Boiler — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:39:54 -0000

War Eagle, can you explain why Notre Dame's 1953 champioship was illegitimate?

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

AUtigerman — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:34:30 -0000

Turn sideways so i can see your mullet

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AUtigerman — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:27:17 -0000

I Dont

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

fosterkeats — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:43:54 -0000

They're doing great, man...

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

OU_Ron — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:18:51 -0000

Ben, not true, I think your're a fairly popular guy, just because we don't agree on some things, I value your input........

Re: Who Embellishes Their National Championship Claims and Who Does Not

Rick Dew — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:01:19 -0000

Tennessee just claims 2, but we deserve 14. Phil Fulmer will win 2 or 3 more.