One thing to consider - If Hawaii beats Cincinnati, it moves OU from #1 to #3 in the colley 'play God' tool. Fanblogs has been all over this. I doubt it will have much of an impact overall, but it could flip Fla to #1 and OU to #2 overall. I have no idea if that would change anything in the BCS selection process for the other bowls.
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
The Colley Matrix is one of the BCS Computers. This is the extent of its effect. This change increases Florida's confidence to 69.0%, if Hawaii wins.
If Wes Colley posts his results as early as he usually does, this will be in the first update.
Clemson_Joe
· 12 months ago
Nice post, Ben. Great illustration.
This could be the cluster *%#$ we've all been hoping for.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
How will it be a cluster? #1 will play #2... end of story. There have always been (and will always be) debates about where teams are ranked, just as there would be debates about which teams made a playoff. If you want more of a cluster, try deciding who's the 9th best team.
hrposon
· 12 months ago
The importance of deciding the ninth best team isn't as important as getting the two best teams playing for the championship. As I watched that great game between Alabama and Florida yesterday, I knew that playing it on the field was the only way to settle this.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
100% agree... and I think we're going to get the true #1 & true #2 in the MNCG.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
I'm with hrposon. Please, please bring on trying to decide the 9th best team, and not the idiotic controversies surrounding the NC game. Unfortunately, no, it won't be the end of the story again this year.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
Nah... we're going to get the 1v2 game and we're all going to agree when its all over. I really do think so.
hrposon
· 12 months ago
Kevin, twice now you have used the word "I think". You didn't say "I know" or "I'm sure". Doesn't even sound like you're convinced. I'm sure an eight team playoff would come up with the best team.
Kevin @ Fanblogs
· 12 months ago
I'm sure a playoff solves anything.
hrposon
· 12 months ago
Is that what you really meant to say?
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
Kev I predicted this scenario several weeks ago as you recall. The two best teams from the two best conferences have already played UT vs OU and Fla vs Bama the winners of those two should settle it on the field. With the current system that exist we are going to see an OU vs Fla MNC game and the controversy continues. I dont think anybody wants to see any sort of rematch type of thing. I would love to see a UT vs Fla game, but thats not going to happen, so the way it works out looks like we are going to see a UT vs tOSU game in Feista- is this what you have heard any insight? Hookem Horns #1 in the XII
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Are you thinking another blowout?
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Dang. Double posted comment. Anyway, I hope it isn't another blowout. In the meantime, Texas gets the short end of the stick and OSU potentially gets to make a great statement.
Petew
· 12 months ago
Ohio State shouldn't get a BCS bid, if they play Texas they will get pounded again.
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Well, they are getting a BCS bid, so too bad for you and all of the rest of the OSU haters out there. "Everyone knew" they'd get pounded by Miami in 2002/2003 and we all know that certainly didn't happen.
Until the bowl game, I'll happily reminisce over that last 24-7 victory down in Austin in 2006.
GO BUCKS!!
USC1801
· 12 months ago
I prefer to reminisce about the Jan. 2001 and Jan. 2002 bowl games. ;)
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
I don't blame you. I really enjoy reminiscing about the 2003 Jan. bowl game! :-)
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
Well stated.
"Everyone [also] knew" UF was going to get pounded by OSU.
"Everyone" doesn't seem to be so smart, when it comes right down to it, right?
I guess that's why teams actually get on the planes, actually suit up, and actually play the games....
GO GATORS!!
Tom_Blogical
· 12 months ago
Agreed. I'm glad the teams (usually) don't listen to the "experts" and go play the game. I can tell you I was worried about Florida in 2006, just as I am about Texas this year.
But I'm still confident my team will go out there and give it their best shot!
GO BUCKS!!
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
#1 will play #2.
If #2 is Texas and Florida wins their bowl game we will have a split championship.
I agree that a playoff just defers the dispute further down the chain, for the last playoff spot, to where things are even murkier.
FSU_Ben
· 12 months ago
Yes but in the case of a 16 team play off (remembering we only add one more game to the post season to go from 16 to 32) I doubt many people will be crying.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
"...If #2 is Texas and Florida wins their bowl game we will have a split championship..."
Not if UF wins big (>10 pts), and Texas wins ugly.
GO GATORS!!
Clemson_Joe
· 12 months ago
I was actually talking about the situation where Texas ended up in the mix. It won't happen now, but as Ben (as well as many other sports writers) stated so well, there was a chance that Texas would end up 1 or 2 in the BCS. Texas has the best argument of any team in the BCS era of being left out of the title game, given the fact that they beat one of the participants. It's sickening to watch every other division in football do it the right way, yet the biggest one can't seem to figure out how to prove who its champion is. Thanks so much Big Televen, and Pac 10.
OU_Ron
· 12 months ago
Sagarin computer keeps Texas # 2 @ 8:02 am
Compton
· 12 months ago
Ben:
Does the Cincy win change anything or were the projections based on them winning?
Your computer projections look very solid. Even if they ended up off in a couple of spots it would only be countered by taking out the high and low.
It looks lke the humans will decide. How many votes ahead did you put UF over UT? I read on burntorangenation that UF needs to pick up 102 votes to beat out UT.
Hook'em
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
It only really effects one computer dramatically. I projected the results as if Cincinnati had won. I have Florida 53 points ahead in the coaches poll and 94 points ahead in the Harris Poll.
The coaches poll estimate has a standard deviation of 8 points, and the Harris Poll of 11 points.
FSU_Ben
· 12 months ago
Yeah at the end of the day who is to say Florida a top two team in the nation. I don't think it's really far fetched to put texas in the game with it's one loss to a much higher ranked Tech. Ole miss is a damn good team this year but it probably isn't as good as tech. And Texas lost away, Florida at home.
Don't get me wrong. I want Florida to get in the title game. I want them to lose it outright. I don't want a media obsessed with the tebow pederasty craze to give another AP NC. Those are garbage and count as such in my book but I won't be able to stand the constant "They won two out of the last three" the way they did with USC (Completely forgeting LSU won the NC that year in a BCS system thier and -all- schools and conferences agreed was the NC selection process). ONE NC per year (once the BCS started, can be two before we purposely started pitting the number one and number two team in the nation in a game). I want a playoff as much as the next guy but this is the system we have.
Gatorboy41
· 12 months ago
FSU BEN, I can understand your ill feeling towards Tebow. But I have one question, did you feel the same way when your Noles was dominating in the mid 90's. Did you get tired of hearing Charlie Ward this, and Charlie Ward that? I feel your pain. But at least we agree that a playoff is needed.
Wardboy3
· 12 months ago
The talk around Charlie Ward was for approx 1-1/2 years. Charlie didn't start until his JR year & halfway thru his JR year he was not performing very well & then on approx Oct 17 after his performance against GA Tech is when the Charlie Ward talk started. The Tebow talk has been going on since his freshman year,,,which is now for 3 years...but most def 2 years with another to go.
FSU_Ben
· 11 months ago
It's too much, way too much. Anyways it's not talent, it's motivation. He does throw quite crappy. I still recall watching his untipped pass flop about through the air like a fish on a 10-15 foot pass against LSU. In this recent game he couldn't hit the numbers once, recievers made awesome plays.
PrinceMarko
· 12 months ago
Basically, Florida needs 40 first place votes in the Coach's poll and needs to get to at least 4 in the computer rankings to overtake Florida. For sure it will be close.
Compton
· 12 months ago
BTW- There already was a bit of a cluster.
I would feel bad for UF getting left out.
Last nights game between the 2nd and 5th best teams in the Big 12 (both having lost to Texas by double digits), left little doubt that OU will play in the title game. There should not be a rematch since Texas already beat OU. It should be UT vs. UF.
...And if Texas were to get the chance to beat OU (again this season) in the NCG everyone will be screaming it.
FSU_Ben
· 12 months ago
IT would still be a great game with a great draw and that is all the BCS seems to care about.
PrinceMarko
· 12 months ago
Florida left out of the BCS? Sweet justice for stealing Michigans National Championship.
PFCP
· 12 months ago
Yea...if I recall when UF "stole" your NC shot (which you didn't deserve) they DESTROYED Ohio State.
Plain and simple you don't win your conference you don't play for a title game.
bpstrat
· 12 months ago
If Michigan had handled their business when they played the Luckeyes the first time, nothing would've been "stolen." Be happy, that beatdown UF served OSU could've been directed towards your Michigan kitty cats. You need to quit crying about the past. Live in the present. Oh, wait, your present pretty much sucks!
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
LMAO! You're going to be 80+ y/o in a nursing home, driveling mush down your chin, grumbling about that year!
GO GATORS!!
Compton
· 12 months ago
<"Plain and simple you don't win your conference you don't play for a title game."> that is crazy-
OU won the BIG 12 this year based on getting there and beating...well nobody. They got in the game based on winning a "tie" that they would have lost had it been in any other conference. One they would have lost in the Big 12 probably next year (once they fix the rule).
Talk about pleading a case...at least the UT case was based on facts. Last week there were two points made over and over...#1 Texas beat OU head to head...#2 OU had a better non-conference schedule.
OU always plays cupcake schedules...period. This year would not have changed if TCU and Cincy had not ended up better than expected. OU also played two teams that won a combined one (1) game. One of them is not even division 1. You did not hear that being stated.
Going into this week Texas SOS was 4th while OU was 31st. Still you heard the argument about how "OU played a tougher non-conference schedule." OU had to word it a certain way. They in no way played a tougher scheule.
OU_Ron
· 12 months ago
I guess Mizzou just became nobody after texas beat em, ...........right
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
Hey Ron good morning Missu lost to Texas,OK State,KU and OU they are a 4 loss team who beat BU by a field goal or they would have 5 losses. Congrats on the victory over Missu The SEC Champ game featured the two best from that conference who had not faced each other during the regular season- The XII game featured two teams that both lost to Texas- These are not opinions- just facts We knew the Sooners would whup Missu- there only signature wins were Neb & ILL, but they lost to the other tough teams that they faced and didn't play TTech. Hookem Horns
OU_Ron
· 12 months ago
Good morning TC, OU lost to Texas-------Texas lost to Tech------you and I didn't make the rules, the Big12 did.........been a great season, hate to see it end..
Compton
· 12 months ago
Tech lost its place in the circular argument when they lost by 44 to ANYONE. You just can’t lose by 44 to anyone and claim a spot at the table.
UT’s lose is the defensible of any one loss team…period.
OU_Ron
· 12 months ago
Defensible or not, it still shows a L on their record, just as it does on OU's.......all the arguments in the world is not gonna change it...
Bevo_Boy
· 12 months ago
And that's why I stopped arguing it. As much as I disagree with it, there's absolutely nothing I can do to change it. Now, I guess I'll just hope for Texas to beat whoever they play convincingly enough that they can get a split title. I don't really agree with that either, but I'll take it over nothing.
BTW, Compton, nice pic, but it looks strangely familiar...
Compton
· 12 months ago
I was going to say NO, but you make a good point. Mizzou fell off substantially after Texas beat them.
Of course, everyone knew OU would beat Mizzou...especially Sooners. Mizzou's (O & D) lines were out weighed by almost 70lbs a man by OU. Not to mention Texas beat Mizzou by 25 and Texas only beat OU beat by 10. By OU logic, that means that OU was 15 points better than Mizzou.
I fortunately had little to do with it. Although my yelling at the TV sometimes makes me feel included.
TrueBornSooner
· 12 months ago
So, Mizzou isn't as impressive when we beat them because they dropped off? So, you recognize that teams can be better or worse later in the season.
Thanks for confirming that OU - by virtue of their late season rush - and 44-point pounding of Tech - were deserving of the berth.
Seriously, the Big XII needs to change its Championship game format. The North-vs-South is not working. In most years one division (usually the South) has been clearly superior. Since rematches have been so common, then it shouldn't matter if two teams from the same division play each other. Also, since the rationale has been to have the team that have the best chance of getting to the title game, make it the top two in the BCS standings.
(or would that make too much sense?)
FSU_Ben
· 12 months ago
Before an OU Texas game breaks out in this room lets just calm down and see what happens. Plenty of time to say OU or Texas or Florida (ahem) didn't belong later. It is unfortunate and it's been a few years (2005) since -I think- we really got a game that was THE top two in the country and everyone agreed. Instead of talking about head to head clamor for a playoff in your local paper's editorial section (or the local paper of your school of choice).
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
The coaches poll broke harder for Florida than I projected, by 20 points, significantly improving Florida's chances.
It is now closer to a 3:1 shot.
Petew
· 12 months ago
I don't think Florida should jump Texas. Texas didn't lose to mississippi at home you lose to mississippi at home you don't get to play for National Championship. I live in Florida.
Ramblin' Gator
· 12 months ago
Right - and losing to Texas Tech? That should GUARANTEE a team's spot in the championship game.
gohorns1012
· 12 months ago
tech is 11-1, respectfully
Ramblin' Gator
· 12 months ago
I'm with you, gohorns. This whole thing is a big mess.
Perhaps Florida shouldn't jump Texas this week? On the other hand, perhaps Texas should not have jumped Florida last week on the strength of their win over TAMU (4-8) while UF beat a much more impressive FSU (8-4)?
I'm not sure which team from the Big-12 should play in the title game, but I am sure of this: there should be only one.
gohorns1012
· 12 months ago
i am not a florida fan, however i did watch them play this year and think they earned a spot in the bcs nc game
Gatorboy41
· 12 months ago
Petew, I respect your opinion, but the computers don't figure in 'where the game was played' it really does not matter, more so the strength of the opponents. A loss is a loss. You can't win all the home game, sooner or later you will lose one. Also, who is the best team, right here, right now, as we speak, that is what you have to consider. Remember last year a 2 loss team won the NC. The system is flawed, however I respect the coaches polls the most, being that most of their votes are consistant with each other.
Wardboy3
· 12 months ago
You respect the coaches poll the most? Urban Meyer has a vote in the coaches poll and I saw an interview with him yesterday and he said he "hasn't even seen OK play this year." He has a vote & admitted that he hasn't even seen one of the top teams in the country play. And on top of that 9 coaches who have votes are no longer employed.
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
I know that Texas is a one loss team I know that Fla is a one loss team I know that Bama is a one loss team I know that OU is a one loss team I know that PSU is a one loss team I know that USC is a one loss team I know that Tex Tech is a one loss team I know that Utah is undefeated I know that the current system for determining CFB champs is flawed and Texas will win their bowl game and Fla will probably win theirs too Hookem-Horns Beating Missu so easy a caveman can do it
LacerateKane
· 12 months ago
Funniest comment I've read all morning!
Petew
· 12 months ago
Losing to Ole Miss not everyone can do that
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
Texas Tech can....and probably will.
GO GATORS!!
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
Agreed The BU Bears played them a tough game led 28-14 at one point, The BU bears were driving late in the fourth after TTech scored following an INT making it 35-28.BU got the ball back and the drive ended on downs after two sacks, TTech took possession and time expired. Ole Miss vs TTech ought to be a good one
grover
· 12 months ago
Ben, assuming your Harris projections are 100% on, how many computers would have to promote Texas or demote Fla 1 spot for Tx to jump? For example. if Billingsley moves TX to 3 instead of #4, would that be enough all on its own?
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
Texas needs to gain a meaningful spot in 2 computers and 3 points in the Harris poll or one spot in the computers and 32 points in the Harris poll relative to my projections.
Not looking good.
grover
· 12 months ago
They are not getting the 32 points in the Harris, but a meaningful spot in 2 computers seems possible. I could see Utah sliding in between TX and Fla in A&H, and maybe one meaningful spot somewhere else
Not likely, but certainly possible.
Uh - what happens if TX and Fla are actually tied at #2? (Now that would be fun!!!)
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
A tie is not possible mathematically based on the coaches poll results and the lack of a common denominator for the remaining components.
The difference in points for coaches polls must be a multiple of 61, Harris Poll a difference of a multiple of 57 and the 4 computers used a multiple of 2 for a tie to be possible.
erken99
· 12 months ago
No, the highest and lowest computer rankings are thrown out for each team. These are denoted with the dashes around the rankings on the chart above.
Ben Prather
· 12 months ago
Correct, a move of one in Billingsley would not meet my criterion for meaningful. It is more likely that moves down in a computer than Texas moves up from the projections.
bpstrat
· 12 months ago
Ben, I don't know what it's worth, but check out the fedex nc website...they are selling UF and OU merchandise! Go Gators!!!
They have the data, they are working out the other bowls to announce.
I am surprised to see the team logos on the merchandise.
bpstrat
· 12 months ago
I also went to the Sugar Bowl website. They show the commemorative pin for sale: one helmet is Bama Burgundy (or scarlet, or whatever), the other is Utah Red. I think you can up your confidence interval...
Add to that that Utah is now known to be in the Sugar bowl against Alabama...
adam_c
· 12 months ago
Heh. Yeah, I got the feeling Scout.com was more reliable. And as the game has been announced now, it looks like they got this right as well.
Mr2Bits
· 12 months ago
Gators will be getting some sun in Miami! Have a good night.
Petew
· 12 months ago
There is no right in Florida playing after they lost to Ole Miss, Texas lost to #7 Texas Tech not to A unranked team. We need Playoff!!!!
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
Conf champ v. conf. champ.
I'll agree that Texas definitely has a legitimate gripe in how the B XII chooses its champ...but the concept of non-conf. champ being crowned "natiopnal champ"--is unacceptable. Such a scenario would yield no finality whatsoever.
You may not like how it plays out, but at least we'll have finality. Either the B XII champ is NC, or the SEC champ is NC.
For illustration: How does Texas deserve to be in NC game more than Alabama????
It doesn't. (Bama lost to #2 UF; Texas lost to #7 Texas Tech).
OU and UF are conf. champs
Case closed.
GO GATORS!!
Petew
· 12 months ago
Texas deserves it more then Alabama because, they lost to a team (TT) who lost to a team #1 OU. Alabama lost to a team UF who lost to a unrank team Ole Miss at home. Case Closed!
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
You're a daisy...
GO GATORS!!
Petew
· 12 months ago
Your a Gator Fan, who else would you want to play for tittle? But it really bothers me that Florida lost to Ole Miss at home and they get a shot. I live in St. Pete Florida and I like the Gators. Nabraska got a shot at Miami without winning there conf championship in 2001. Big Ten doesn't even have a conf championship and Ohio State got back to back shots. So conf championships shouldn't play into it. Texas was ranked higher and didn't lose but Florida jumped them, I hope OU pounds the Gators and Texas pounds Ole Miss, then what. Who is #1?
Bama_Babe
· 12 months ago
If you have a problem with the fact that Texas is not in the NC game, complain to the Big XII. Florida did not take Texas's place in the game, Oklahoma did because of the Big XII rules. Your argument is not making sense because you are blaming the SEC champ. It's Oklahoma's jump of Texas that mattered, not Florida's.
And remember, the BCS favors WHEN you lose. Florida was not number 1 when they lost to Ole Miss. Their continual beatdown of opponents after that game earned them a #4 ranking and spot in the SECCG, in which they beat #1 Alabama. Florida deserves to be in the NC. Oklahoma does too. There's an argument for Texas, but if you have a problem with that, it's your conference that screwed up.
;)
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
Thanks BamaBabe I sure wanted to see a Texas vs Bama game, maybe next year- Your right, because terms like media darlings and style points are what really counts.It really doesnt matter what you do during the regular season just run up the score on your opponents. I looked at Fox sports last night and it was really disgusting to see Barry Switzer grinning ear to ear, now that OU is #1 The San Antonio Express news says to pull for OU-Thats crazy because we dont like OU, I pull against them in every game. I changed channeols and looked at ESPN and Craig James was the only guy on there that made any sense. Lee Corso talked about how great the TCU Horned Frogs are and how their defense held OU to only 35 points, the season low for OU. He didnt mention that the Texas defense held them to 35 points. Lou Holtz asked What defense has Texas played against- Dr Lou they played against the #1 OU and scored 45 points on them. Florida will beat OU and Texas will beat tOSU Your right Bama Babe because in the XII conference you can beat the best team in league by ten points and play the toughest schedule in the nation and if one kid misses a tackle with 1 second left on the clock then the Champ game features two teams that you beat during the regular season so that your arch rival can pile up stats and become the media darlings. Hookem Horns the real #1`in the XII
Ramblin' Gator
· 12 months ago
Why all this hatred for Ole Miss? The Rebs are 8-4 which is a good record for the SEC. They have a new coach and were 2-2 back in September when they snuck up on the Gators and beat them by 1 point. You certainly can't claim that an 8-0 Texas Tech team snuck up on the Longhorns on November 1st and won by 6 points. Both teams were well prepared for this game.
You can cast aspersions on Ole Miss and UF all you like, but that won't change anything and you'll keep that sour taste in your mouth that much longer. You may want to send letters to the Big-12 telling them to change their tiebreaker process. Or better yet, lobby the NCAA to invoke a playoff system for FBS teams. In that way, you could be part of a change that is beneficial to Texas, Utah, Boise State, Penn State, Texas Tech, USC and all the other teams that deserve a title shot this year.
Either way, continuing to rail against those who benefitted from what is an admittedly unfair system just makes you look bitter.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
Once again, we find ourselves dealing with a disgruntled SECOND (third? fourth?) place team of a conference, arguing about how they should deserve a shot over SEC Conf. Champ, UF.
Why don't we hear this argument from 'bama Fan?
2nd place SEC team vs. 1st place SEC team--a rematch to end all remathces--for the Nat'l Championship!!!
...sounds about as logical to me as Texas v. OU rematch to end all rematches, for the Nat'l championship....
Hell, why don't we just pretend we weren't really affiliated with conferences at all, and just leave things to chance....
GO GATORS!!
Porcine
· 12 months ago
No hate for Ole Miss, it's all they have left to cling too.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
They have a NC from '05; they have a HUGE Bowl match-up agianst Ohio State; they have a likely Heisman trophy headed there way; they have next year...
Seriously, do you think Gator Fan would be crying about we deserve to be in NC?
Of course not...no more than Bama Fan is doing that today. Why?
Because we (SEC fans) understand and accept the rules going in.
I'm still beside myself, that we somehow seem so much more the exception than the rule, in this most elementary of principles of CFB.
GO GATORS!!
Porcine
· 12 months ago
I was answering RG question to Petew. Petew is still arguing for Texas and all that is left for them to use is the OM loss.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
I know; I'm just chiming in rhetorically.
GO GATORS!!
Porcine
· 12 months ago
Aye.
War_Eagle_Atlanta
· 12 months ago
What happened to 'guns and religion'?
I cling to at least one of those...
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
LOL!
GO GATORS!!
Petew
· 12 months ago
If Ole Miss beats Texas Tech then I'm wrong. But nobody sneaks up on you at home. I think Texas should be playing OU. The reason Texas Tech has no gripe is then got smacked by 44 by OU, Texas beat OU by 10. I live in Florida and don't think they deserve a shot. When Miami beat Florida State and FSU got to play ND for the title it was cause Miami lost to Boston College and FSU lost to Miami, FSU lost to a better team. Both had one loss. This all drives me crazy, could you imagine playoffs.#1 OU vs. #8 Penn State, #2 Florida vs. #7 Texas Tech, #3 Texas vs #6 Utah, #4 Alabama vs. #5 USC But it would come down to OU vs. Florida anyway but wow what games. But at least they all had a fair chance.
Ramblin' Gator
· 12 months ago
I agree with everything you wrote except for this:
But nobody sneaks up on you at home.
It happens all the time. I need look no farther than the upset of the century (Appalachian State at Michigan, 2007), but there are hundreds of examples.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
"...When Miami beat Florida State and FSU got to play ND for the title it was cause Miami lost to Boston College and FSU lost to Miami, FSU lost to a better team. Both had one loss..."
You're "facts" are all over the place there:
Miami beat FSU in '00; FSU played and lost to OU for NC (Orange Bowl). Both FSU and Miami had 1 loss.
The Notre Dame/FSU deal happened in '93; Notre Dame beat FSU head to head, then BC beat ND; FSU got nod to play for NC (they won)--though I can't recall who they beat for NC. Again, both FSU and ND had 1 loss.
Now, here's the huge distinction: FSU was ACC champ in '93, and and in '00. (Miami wasn't in ACC yet, in '00). So they're completely different scenarios.
OU is your conference champ--your gripe is therefore, with the B XII.
GO GATORS!!
Porcine
· 12 months ago
Uh-hum, and FSU beat VT.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
That was '99 (Vick at QB), the year after they lost to Tenn.
In '93 they beat Nebraska for the NC.
GO GATORS!!
Mr2Bits
· 12 months ago
Case and point is that nobody wants to see Texas play Oklahoma again. What happens if Oklahoma wins that game? Then Texas is back at square one complaining they won the game earlier in the year and deserve a best of three? Just let it go. Texas should have not jumped Florida last week to begin with.
You keep this up and your going to wake the Michigan fans and their 2006 crap.
Porcine
· 12 months ago
It's the BCS, there is no right or wrong.
Ramblin' Gator
· 12 months ago
There's the right way, the wrong way, AND the BCS way. :-)
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
RG good post Hookem-Horns
Petew
· 12 months ago
Nabraska got a shot at Miami without winning there conf championship in 2001. Big Ten doesn't even have a conf championship and Ohio State got back to back shots. So conf championships shouldn't play into it. Texas was ranked higher and didn't lose but Florida jumped them, I hope OU pounds the Gators and Texas pounds Ole Miss, then what. Who is #1?
Porcine
· 12 months ago
Oklahoma.
Mr2Bits
· 12 months ago
Lets see, by my count if number one Oklahoma POUNDS Florida who is number two and Texas(#3) beats Ole Miss( not sure they play, I will have to check the bowl schedule if something changed from last night, Hotty Toddy is going to be stoked he made it into the Fiesta bowl) then, well let me see, carry the two, Yep I think it will be Oklahoma being number one now will retain this spot but only barely, just a slight margin, skimming by their teeth.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
LMAO!!!
It's all so very complicated...
GO GATORS!!
Petew
· 12 months ago
not so fast my friend Texas Tech plays Ole Miss Texas Plays Ohio State
Petew
· 12 months ago
if Texas pounds Ohio State then they have 1 loss and beat OU and OU pounds Florida then what.
Mr2Bits
· 12 months ago
No matter your theory, Texas cannot cause a split championship. They are behind both Florida and Oklahoma in all three polls.
Porcine
· 12 months ago
If all three of the B12 schools pound their opponents, which is very possible, Oklahoma would still be ahead.
Petew
· 12 months ago
I don't care who really wins, just think they need a playoff. But I will be rooting for OU to pound the Gators.
Mr2Bits
· 12 months ago
Are you a sooner fan or fan of another Big12 school?
Petew
· 12 months ago
I am a Miami Hurricane Fan. The best team in the state in National Tittles. 5 in Football 4 in baseball 0 in Basketball, Florida 2 in football 0 in baseball 2 in basketball, FSU 2 in football 0 in Baseball 0 in basketball. And Miami plays Basketball in the best Conf ACC.
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
Ahhh...the truth comes out...
A disgruntled 'cane Fan, hiding, pretending to be a Texas fan....
You should be ashamed of yourself; cast'n Longhorn Fan in such negative light; here we're all thinking Texas Fan had gone all Michigan Fan on us...
Come to find it's a Cane fan, doin' what they've been doing best, since losing the '02 NC game to OSU: whining about how they were dun wrong by the Man...
...whining about how their coach hadn't won'em a NC in 4 years, so they fired him...
...whining about how the City of Miami wouldn't fix the Orange Bowl for them (never bothering to offer to cooperate in such renovations, thereby losing their home to the Marlins, and being relocated to a stadium they can't even come close to filling...).
...whining about how Meyer hung an extra FG on 'em for kicks, after the game was in hand...
GO GATORS!!
Mr2Bits
· 12 months ago
"the best team in the state in National Tittles" Sounds more like a bachelor party than a sports venue
TampaGator
· 12 months ago
My apologies to Texas Fan for falling for PeteW's little ruse.
I ordinarily hold Texas Fan in high regard--it certainly struck me as uncharacteristic--shoulda' seen right through it.
GO GATORS!!
1Tomcat
· 12 months ago
Its Cool- unlike SEC fans Texas fans dont like OU- dosn't matter that they snuck in to the XII champ game and run up numbers on Missu. We will be pullin for Fla Gators Early prediction OU will throw some picks after Fla shuts down the run game. Hookem-Horns Go Gators
erken99
· 12 months ago
Texas should've beat Tech with the late interception. They didn't, and they got left out in the cold come NC time. Like Mack said, every team has been on the winning side of the bcs and every team has experienced the losing side from time to time. Being a Texas fan, I am upset that Texas didn't get in this year and that we kept being given hope over and over. However, there is always next year and McCoy will be back to lead the Horns to another great year. Texas made it farther than anyone thought they would this year, and we should be looking forward to routing OSU in the Fiesta Bowl. Hook em Gators! (Haha, does that work?)
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If Wes Colley posts his results as early as he usually does, this will be in the first update.
This could be the cluster *%#$ we've all been hoping for.
As I watched that great game between Alabama and Florida yesterday, I knew that playing it on the field was the only way to settle this.
I'm sure an eight team playoff would come up with the best team.
The two best teams from the two best conferences have already played UT vs OU and Fla vs Bama the winners of those two should settle it on the field. With the current system that exist we are going to see an OU vs Fla MNC game and the controversy continues.
I dont think anybody wants to see any sort of rematch type of thing.
I would love to see a UT vs Fla game, but thats not going to happen, so the way it works out looks like we are going to see a UT vs tOSU game in Feista- is this what you have heard any insight?
Hookem Horns #1 in the XII
Until the bowl game, I'll happily reminisce over that last 24-7 victory down in Austin in 2006.
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"Everyone [also] knew" UF was going to get pounded by OSU.
"Everyone" doesn't seem to be so smart, when it comes right down to it, right?
I guess that's why teams actually get on the planes, actually suit up, and actually play the games....
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But I'm still confident my team will go out there and give it their best shot!
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If #2 is Texas and Florida wins their bowl game we will have a split championship.
I agree that a playoff just defers the dispute further down the chain, for the last playoff spot, to where things are even murkier.
Not if UF wins big (>10 pts), and Texas wins ugly.
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Does the Cincy win change anything or were the projections based on them winning?
Your computer projections look very solid. Even if they ended up off in a couple of spots it would only be countered by taking out the high and low.
It looks lke the humans will decide. How many votes ahead did you put UF over UT?
I read on burntorangenation that UF needs to pick up 102 votes to beat out UT.
Hook'em
The coaches poll estimate has a standard deviation of 8 points, and the Harris Poll of 11 points.
Don't get me wrong. I want Florida to get in the title game. I want them to lose it outright. I don't want a media obsessed with the tebow pederasty craze to give another AP NC. Those are garbage and count as such in my book but I won't be able to stand the constant "They won two out of the last three" the way they did with USC (Completely forgeting LSU won the NC that year in a BCS system thier and -all- schools and conferences agreed was the NC selection process). ONE NC per year (once the BCS started, can be two before we purposely started pitting the number one and number two team in the nation in a game). I want a playoff as much as the next guy but this is the system we have.
I would feel bad for UF getting left out.
Last nights game between the 2nd and 5th best teams in the Big 12 (both having lost to Texas by double digits), left little doubt that OU will play in the title game. There should not be a rematch since Texas already beat OU. It should be UT vs. UF.
...And if Texas were to get the chance to beat OU (again this season) in the NCG everyone will be screaming it.
Plain and simple you don't win your conference you don't play for a title game.
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that is crazy-
OU won the BIG 12 this year based on getting there and beating...well nobody. They got in the game based on winning a "tie" that they would have lost had it been in any other conference. One they would have lost in the Big 12 probably next year (once they fix the rule).
Talk about pleading a case...at least the UT case was based on facts. Last week there were two points made over and over...#1 Texas beat OU head to head...#2 OU had a better non-conference schedule.
OU always plays cupcake schedules...period. This year would not have changed if TCU and Cincy had not ended up better than expected. OU also played two teams that won a combined one (1) game. One of them is not even division 1. You did not hear that being stated.
Going into this week Texas SOS was 4th while OU was 31st. Still you heard the argument about how "OU played a tougher non-conference schedule." OU had to word it a certain way. They in no way played a tougher scheule.
Missu lost to Texas,OK State,KU and OU they are a 4 loss team who beat BU by a field goal or they would have 5 losses. Congrats on the victory over Missu
The SEC Champ game featured the two best from that conference who had not faced each other during the regular season- The XII game featured two teams that both lost to Texas- These are not opinions- just facts
We knew the Sooners would whup Missu- there only signature wins were Neb & ILL, but they lost to the other tough teams that they faced and didn't play TTech.
Hookem Horns
UT’s lose is the defensible of any one loss team…period.
BTW, Compton, nice pic, but it looks strangely familiar...
Of course, everyone knew OU would beat Mizzou...especially Sooners. Mizzou's (O & D) lines were out weighed by almost 70lbs a man by OU. Not to mention Texas beat Mizzou by 25 and Texas only beat OU beat by 10. By OU logic, that means that OU was 15 points better than Mizzou.
I fortunately had little to do with it. Although my yelling at the TV sometimes makes me feel included.
Thanks for confirming that OU - by virtue of their late season rush - and 44-point pounding of Tech - were deserving of the berth.
Seriously, the Big XII needs to change its Championship game format. The North-vs-South is not working. In most years one division (usually the South) has been clearly superior. Since rematches have been so common, then it shouldn't matter if two teams from the same division play each other. Also, since the rationale has been to have the team that have the best chance of getting to the title game, make it the top two in the BCS standings.
(or would that make too much sense?)
It is now closer to a 3:1 shot.
mississippi at home you don't get to play for National Championship. I live in Florida.
Perhaps Florida shouldn't jump Texas this week? On the other hand, perhaps Texas should not have jumped Florida last week on the strength of their win over TAMU (4-8) while UF beat a much more impressive FSU (8-4)?
I'm not sure which team from the Big-12 should play in the title game, but I am sure of this: there should be only one.
I know that Fla is a one loss team
I know that Bama is a one loss team
I know that OU is a one loss team
I know that PSU is a one loss team
I know that USC is a one loss team
I know that Tex Tech is a one loss team
I know that Utah is undefeated
I know that the current system for determining CFB champs is flawed and Texas will win their bowl game and Fla will probably win theirs too
Hookem-Horns
Beating Missu so easy a caveman can do it
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Ole Miss vs TTech ought to be a good one
Not looking good.
Not likely, but certainly possible.
Uh - what happens if TX and Fla are actually tied at #2? (Now that would be fun!!!)
The difference in points for coaches polls must be a multiple of 61, Harris Poll a difference of a multiple of 57 and the 4 computers used a multiple of 2 for a tie to be possible.
http://www.fedexorangebowlmerch.com/2007A//cata...
Perhaps the cat is out of the bag?
I am surprised to see the team logos on the merchandise.
OU 1.00
UT 9.6
UF 8.8
That's a bigger gap than most people expected. How many votes does FL have to move in the Harris Poll to overcome that?
UPDATE:
Hmm.. Scout.com has different (and more expected) computer numbers:
OU 1.0
UT 9.4
UF 8.9
http://cfn.scout.com/2/582114.html
Add to that that Utah is now known to be in the Sugar bowl against Alabama...
I'll agree that Texas definitely has a legitimate gripe in how the B XII chooses its champ...but the concept of non-conf. champ being crowned "natiopnal champ"--is unacceptable. Such a scenario would yield no finality whatsoever.
You may not like how it plays out, but at least we'll have finality. Either the B XII champ is NC, or the SEC champ is NC.
For illustration: How does Texas deserve to be in NC game more than Alabama????
It doesn't. (Bama lost to #2 UF; Texas lost to #7 Texas Tech).
OU and UF are conf. champs
Case closed.
GO GATORS!!
to a team #1 OU. Alabama lost to a team UF who lost to a unrank team Ole Miss
at home. Case Closed!
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And remember, the BCS favors WHEN you lose. Florida was not number 1 when they lost to Ole Miss. Their continual beatdown of opponents after that game earned them a #4 ranking and spot in the SECCG, in which they beat #1 Alabama. Florida deserves to be in the NC. Oklahoma does too. There's an argument for Texas, but if you have a problem with that, it's your conference that screwed up.
;)
I looked at Fox sports last night and it was really disgusting to see Barry Switzer grinning ear to ear, now that OU is #1
The San Antonio Express news says to pull for OU-Thats crazy because we dont like OU, I pull against them in every game. I changed channeols and looked at ESPN and Craig James was the only guy on there that made any sense. Lee Corso talked about how great the TCU Horned Frogs are and how their defense held OU to only 35 points, the season low for OU.
He didnt mention that the Texas defense held them to 35 points.
Lou Holtz asked What defense has Texas played against- Dr Lou they played against the #1 OU and scored 45 points on them.
Florida will beat OU and Texas will beat tOSU
Your right Bama Babe because in the XII conference you can beat the best team in league by ten points and play the toughest schedule in the nation and if one kid misses a tackle with 1 second left on the clock then the Champ game features two teams that you beat during the regular season so that your arch rival can pile up stats and become the media darlings.
Hookem Horns the real #1`in the XII
You can cast aspersions on Ole Miss and UF all you like, but that won't change anything and you'll keep that sour taste in your mouth that much longer. You may want to send letters to the Big-12 telling them to change their tiebreaker process. Or better yet, lobby the NCAA to invoke a playoff system for FBS teams. In that way, you could be part of a change that is beneficial to Texas, Utah, Boise State, Penn State, Texas Tech, USC and all the other teams that deserve a title shot this year.
Either way, continuing to rail against those who benefitted from what is an admittedly unfair system just makes you look bitter.
Why don't we hear this argument from 'bama Fan?
2nd place SEC team vs. 1st place SEC team--a rematch to end all remathces--for the Nat'l Championship!!!
...sounds about as logical to me as Texas v. OU rematch to end all rematches, for the Nat'l championship....
Hell, why don't we just pretend we weren't really affiliated with conferences at all, and just leave things to chance....
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Seriously, do you think Gator Fan would be crying about we deserve to be in NC?
Of course not...no more than Bama Fan is doing that today. Why?
Because we (SEC fans) understand and accept the rules going in.
I'm still beside myself, that we somehow seem so much more the exception than the rule, in this most elementary of principles of CFB.
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I cling to at least one of those...
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But nobody sneaks up on you at home.
It happens all the time. I need look no farther than the upset of the century (Appalachian State at Michigan, 2007), but there are hundreds of examples.
You're "facts" are all over the place there:
Miami beat FSU in '00; FSU played and lost to OU for NC (Orange Bowl). Both FSU and Miami had 1 loss.
The Notre Dame/FSU deal happened in '93; Notre Dame beat FSU head to head, then BC beat ND; FSU got nod to play for NC (they won)--though I can't recall who they beat for NC. Again, both FSU and ND had 1 loss.
Now, here's the huge distinction: FSU was ACC champ in '93, and and in '00.
(Miami wasn't in ACC yet, in '00). So they're completely different scenarios.
OU is your conference champ--your gripe is therefore, with the B XII.
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In '93 they beat Nebraska for the NC.
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You keep this up and your going to wake the Michigan fans and their 2006 crap.
Hookem-Horns
It's all so very complicated...
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A disgruntled 'cane Fan, hiding, pretending to be a Texas fan....
You should be ashamed of yourself; cast'n Longhorn Fan in such negative light; here we're all thinking Texas Fan had gone all Michigan Fan on us...
Come to find it's a Cane fan, doin' what they've been doing best, since losing the '02 NC game to OSU: whining about how they were dun wrong by the Man...
...whining about how their coach hadn't won'em a NC in 4 years, so they fired him...
...whining about how the City of Miami wouldn't fix the Orange Bowl for them (never bothering to offer to cooperate in such renovations, thereby losing their home to the Marlins, and being relocated to a stadium they can't even come close to filling...).
...whining about how Meyer hung an extra FG on 'em for kicks, after the game was in hand...
GO GATORS!!
Sounds more like a bachelor party than a sports venue
I ordinarily hold Texas Fan in high regard--it certainly struck me as uncharacteristic--shoulda' seen right through it.
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Early prediction OU will throw some picks after Fla shuts down the run game.
Hookem-Horns
Go Gators