Fanblogs.com: Will 2010, 2012 be the years of mass realignment announcments?
fosterkeats
· 5 months ago
I'm so f*ckin' sick of all this non-stop BCS BS...
Let's just go back to the old daze of a "free-for-all", let the bowls pick whoever the hell they want, then go from there...
If La-Monroe goes 12-0, let them play a 12-1 USC or Texas in the Fiesta Bowl for the National Championship...
Screw the tie-ins, screw the selection committee, screw FOX, screw ESPN, screw strength of schedule, screw people who use the term "BCS Buster", screw state officials whining like babies, screw the non-stop chatter about it, screw it all...
I'm done...
Regan
· 5 months ago
Bizarrely enough, I can't agree more either...
NMLSooner
· 5 months ago
Yes, give me a playoff or go back to the old bowl free-for-all.
Zac
· 5 months ago
You got my vote!
1Tomcat
· 5 months ago
Great post-sorry but SOS does make a difference-Baylor faces 6 or 7 ranked teams-Texas,Oklahoma,Nebraska,Oklahoma St,Missouri,Texas Tech,UConn & Wake- go thru that schedule undefeated-shoot- UL Monroe faces 1 or 2 ranked opponents and will probably get embarassed-they open the season @ Texas I like your post, but in reality SOS means something
Regan
· 5 months ago
I really doubt it, although this is the most bizarre and chaotic sport that humanity has created.
Tabbing BSU as a candidate for MWC expansion is the easy part; I'd actually go out on a limb and say I'd be surprised if this doesn't happen regardless.
Looking across the board at other candidates for the MWC and Big East to expand brings forth a lot of skepticism on my part though. I don't forsee the Pac-10 or any of the other BCS conferences expanding anytime soon, at least as long as the BCS is in it's current configuration. I also don't see any of the BCS conferences losing members; I think they'll stay as-is for the forseeable future.
Thus, the following 1) Assumes no BCS conference will lose a team, and 2) Geographic concerns ONLY for the remainder (since those are the only concerns that can be objectively measured by us Fanbloggers).
IF the MWC were to expand, here would be my take on the potential pool of teams they'd be willing to look at:
> From the WAC: BSU (obviously), FRES, IDAH, NMST, NEV, SJST, UTST. > From C-USA: HOU, RICE, SMU, UTEP, TULS > From the Sun Belt: UNT
There might be some openness towards looking at FRES, NEV, and maybe some of the C-USA teams, but I don't see where the MWC is going to get what they need to add outside of the gem in BSU.
In the Big East, though, the pool looks like this: > From C-USA: UCF, ECU, MAR, MEM, USM, UAB, TUL (last 3x are stretches) > From MAC: (All teams save poor ole Temple - 12x) > From Sun Belt: FAU, FIU, MTSU, TROY > From IND: ARMY, NAVY, ND
There are several potential candidates in the C-USA and MAC (ECU, MEM, TOL, MIAU), but I don't see them finding much else to bring to the table besides stable programs - no blockbusters...
Looking ahead, though, if the BCS' formula is based on the notion of objective analysis, I realistically don't think they'd conspire to keep the MWC out. Given the issues involved, they'd be far better off "proving" that the BCS is a "fair" system by "showing" that other conferences can "join in full".
I know that this is a beyond oversimplified way of looking at it, but consider the following: If each BCS conference gets 1/6 of a slice of pie, they get 16.67% of the pie. Allowing the MWC in reduces it to 1/7, or 14.29% of the pie. That's a difference of only 2.38% of pie - a small bite to have such a big-time point of "Fairness" being addressed and put to bed for an embattled institution with roughly 75% of it's "customers" wanting it replaced...
I oversimplify sometimes...this is one of those times...my bad. :(
Ben Prather
· 5 months ago
I don't think adding the MWC to the BCS pool would address the issues of fairness.
Actually I don't think we are dissatisfied with the current system. We would just be ecstatic about a playoff.
Regan
· 5 months ago
That's cool; there's an NFL for that. >:)
CFB is a different game altogether. It's unique, chaotic, and is the epitome of a "square peg". Trying to put it into the "round hole" of a (true) Playoff will be an excersize in frustration and diminishment for all considered...
Regardless, I'm putting myself down for your system (soon as I finish getting through it...), because it maximizes fairness and preservation of current intangibles that make CFB the best sport.
jake
· 5 months ago
If and when the BCS lets the MWC in, the then most-powerful non-BCS conference will cry unfairness. I'm thinking the WAC and CUSA. Therefore, nothing will be settled if the BCS lets the MWC in and nothing will be settled if it does not. The whole system has been erred and targeted by the media, and because of it, the debate will never end.
Regan
· 5 months ago
The issue at hand is whether or not certain non-BCS conferences can 'become' BCS Conferences. The answer to that question is yes.
There is an established (but complex) formula. Meet the criteria, and you're in. It's as simple as that.
The question here is whether or not manipulation will take place in order to skew the numbers one way or another during the period of time in which they apply.
You're right about one thing though - whining would continue, despite the fact that such a scenario would PROVE that the BCS isn't restricting teams based on conferences - because the conferences can join if they meet the criteria of success.
Whining will ALWAYS continue, no matter what the system. Sure, have a full-blown 8-Team playoff and hope to goodness your team doesn't end up ranked #9. :)
ksuwild
· 5 months ago
Just because it is possible for a non BCS conference to become a BCS conference it doesn't mean it is possible for the --teams within that non BCS conference-- to play for the national title. That has been proven over and over including last year.
It's irrelevant whether non BCS conferences can become BCS conferences if ALL teams don't have a legitimate shot at the national title before the season starts.
The issue at hand is that right now if you do not play in a BCS conference, or you are not Notre Dame, then you do NOT have a real shot at playing for the national championship in college football. Period. Until that changes people will continue to push for some form of a playoff (plus one/8 team/whatever) and rightly so.
College football is the greatest sport on earth for many reasons... but it's ability to crown an undisputed champion (or more accurately lack there of) is not one of them.
Ben Prather
· 5 months ago
While both are admittedly long shots,
I really think a MWC team has a better chance at a national title than a Big East team this year. Both would be undefeated but the MWC looks to have a significant lead in credibility in the top 25 and among their top teams.
If access to the national title game is the bar, the Big East is not a BCS conference this year.
4cornerz
· 5 months ago
Fosterkeats I agree with you 100%.
mrjrebel
· 5 months ago
Instead of the MWC expanding, how about a complete realignment to build a "BCS-worthy" conference? Imagine something like....
Boise State Fresno State Utah BYU Nevada TCU Houston UTEP Rice Tulsa
...or something along those lines.
I don't think this conference would be nearly as strong or at least as deep as, say, the SEC or Big 12, but it'd be stronger than the Big East. I do see some travel problems, though. The eastern and western teams are at least 1000 miles from each other.
As an automatic qualifier and some inventive TV contracts, the conference members could get some much-needed cash. Then, decent programs like Tulsa and Houston could buff up and become stronger.
Looks curiously like a conference alignment I recommended a couple of threads back. (Great minds, and all that...)
1Tomcat
· 5 months ago
I love it-Houston,Rice & TCU would be getting a lot of recruits who would probably go to B-12 or other BCS conferences Look at the rosters of OU and OK st most of these players are from Texas
NevadaTom
· 4 months ago
16-team Wac(idea from the 1990 16 team Wac)
Football would have boise state-fresno state-byu-hawaii-utah-tcu(thats 6/16 teams i know but look what happens when i include c-usa teams that could defect)
NorthWest
Boise State Wyoming Nevada Unlv
Pacific
Fresno State New Mexico Hawaii San Diego State
Mountain
Utah Byu Colorado State Tulsa
Southwest
Houston Rice Utep TCU
It would add a mid-major clash in texas and i always love to see the 2 teams out of utah play teams in texas its such an experience.
Added Recruiting from Texas would be a +
Also Id have them sign each school a 10 year no change of the conference
Also they would be 3-1 overall in bcs bowls
2 of the divisions would have to play each other thats 7 games and 2 out of division that would leave 3 to play.
Weakest tv. market is Wyoming. Strongest is in San Diego or The state of Texas
Two or 3 championship sites and not cold weather site we want to reward champs. San Diego's home Field is big enough,Cowboy Stadium in Dallas?,Hawaii?
rgould65
· 3 days ago
What would be wrong with at the end of the regular season just taking the teams that DESERVE at shot at the national championship and have a playoff with however many teams that is. For example, in 2005 only Texas and USC really deserved at shot whereas this year if there are no upsets, the NCAA can have a playoff with FL/Alabama winner, Texas, Cin, Boise and TCU. Let Boise and TCU play eachother and the winner play FL/AL and Tex can play Cin then the winners can play. Every year it would be a little different and would not diminish the regular season or the bowls and would only be a few extra games for the elite teams. There could be a committee to vote on the deserving teams although I think its pretty obvious to most who they are. The only way that a mid-major can be in the playoff is if they are undefeated.
All Comments
Let's just go back to the old daze of a "free-for-all", let the bowls pick whoever the hell they want, then go from there...
If La-Monroe goes 12-0, let them play a 12-1 USC or Texas in the Fiesta Bowl for the National Championship...
Screw the tie-ins, screw the selection committee, screw FOX, screw ESPN, screw strength of schedule, screw people who use the term "BCS Buster", screw state officials whining like babies, screw the non-stop chatter about it, screw it all...
I'm done...
I like your post, but in reality SOS means something
Tabbing BSU as a candidate for MWC expansion is the easy part; I'd actually go out on a limb and say I'd be surprised if this doesn't happen regardless.
Looking across the board at other candidates for the MWC and Big East to expand brings forth a lot of skepticism on my part though. I don't forsee the Pac-10 or any of the other BCS conferences expanding anytime soon, at least as long as the BCS is in it's current configuration. I also don't see any of the BCS conferences losing members; I think they'll stay as-is for the forseeable future.
Thus, the following 1) Assumes no BCS conference will lose a team, and 2) Geographic concerns ONLY for the remainder (since those are the only concerns that can be objectively measured by us Fanbloggers).
IF the MWC were to expand, here would be my take on the potential pool of teams they'd be willing to look at:
> From the WAC: BSU (obviously), FRES, IDAH, NMST, NEV, SJST, UTST.
> From C-USA: HOU, RICE, SMU, UTEP, TULS
> From the Sun Belt: UNT
There might be some openness towards looking at FRES, NEV, and maybe some of the C-USA teams, but I don't see where the MWC is going to get what they need to add outside of the gem in BSU.
In the Big East, though, the pool looks like this:
> From C-USA: UCF, ECU, MAR, MEM, USM, UAB, TUL (last 3x are stretches)
> From MAC: (All teams save poor ole Temple - 12x)
> From Sun Belt: FAU, FIU, MTSU, TROY
> From IND: ARMY, NAVY, ND
There are several potential candidates in the C-USA and MAC (ECU, MEM, TOL, MIAU), but I don't see them finding much else to bring to the table besides stable programs - no blockbusters...
Looking ahead, though, if the BCS' formula is based on the notion of objective analysis, I realistically don't think they'd conspire to keep the MWC out. Given the issues involved, they'd be far better off "proving" that the BCS is a "fair" system by "showing" that other conferences can "join in full".
I know that this is a beyond oversimplified way of looking at it, but consider the following: If each BCS conference gets 1/6 of a slice of pie, they get 16.67% of the pie. Allowing the MWC in reduces it to 1/7, or 14.29% of the pie. That's a difference of only 2.38% of pie - a small bite to have such a big-time point of "Fairness" being addressed and put to bed for an embattled institution with roughly 75% of it's "customers" wanting it replaced...
I oversimplify sometimes...this is one of those times...my bad. :(
Actually I don't think we are dissatisfied with the current system. We would just be ecstatic about a playoff.
CFB is a different game altogether. It's unique, chaotic, and is the epitome of a "square peg". Trying to put it into the "round hole" of a (true) Playoff will be an excersize in frustration and diminishment for all considered...
Regardless, I'm putting myself down for your system (soon as I finish getting through it...), because it maximizes fairness and preservation of current intangibles that make CFB the best sport.
There is an established (but complex) formula. Meet the criteria, and you're in. It's as simple as that.
The question here is whether or not manipulation will take place in order to skew the numbers one way or another during the period of time in which they apply.
You're right about one thing though - whining would continue, despite the fact that such a scenario would PROVE that the BCS isn't restricting teams based on conferences - because the conferences can join if they meet the criteria of success.
Whining will ALWAYS continue, no matter what the system. Sure, have a full-blown 8-Team playoff and hope to goodness your team doesn't end up ranked #9. :)
It's irrelevant whether non BCS conferences can become BCS conferences if ALL teams don't have a legitimate shot at the national title before the season starts.
The issue at hand is that right now if you do not play in a BCS conference, or you are not Notre Dame, then you do NOT have a real shot at playing for the national championship in college football. Period. Until that changes people will continue to push for some form of a playoff (plus one/8 team/whatever) and rightly so.
College football is the greatest sport on earth for many reasons... but it's ability to crown an undisputed champion (or more accurately lack there of) is not one of them.
I really think a MWC team has a better chance at a national title than a Big East team this year. Both would be undefeated but the MWC looks to have a significant lead in credibility in the top 25 and among their top teams.
If access to the national title game is the bar, the Big East is not a BCS conference this year.
Boise State
Fresno State
Utah
BYU
Nevada
TCU
Houston
UTEP
Rice
Tulsa
...or something along those lines.
I don't think this conference would be nearly as strong or at least as deep as, say, the SEC or Big 12, but it'd be stronger than the Big East. I do see some travel problems, though. The eastern and western teams are at least 1000 miles from each other.
As an automatic qualifier and some inventive TV contracts, the conference members could get some much-needed cash. Then, decent programs like Tulsa and Houston could buff up and become stronger.
At least maybe.
Thoughts?
Look at the rosters of OU and OK st most of these players are from Texas
Football would have boise state-fresno state-byu-hawaii-utah-tcu(thats 6/16 teams i know but look what happens when i include c-usa teams that could defect)
NorthWest
Boise State
Wyoming
Nevada
Unlv
Pacific
Fresno State
New Mexico
Hawaii
San Diego State
Mountain
Utah
Byu
Colorado State
Tulsa
Southwest
Houston
Rice
Utep
TCU
It would add a mid-major clash in texas and i always love to see the 2 teams out of utah play teams in texas its such an experience.
Added Recruiting from Texas would be a +
Also Id have them sign each school a 10 year no change of the conference
Also they would be 3-1 overall in bcs bowls
2 of the divisions would have to play each other thats 7 games and 2 out of division that would leave 3 to play.
Weakest tv. market is Wyoming.
Strongest is in San Diego or The state of Texas
Two or 3 championship sites and not cold weather site we want to reward champs.
San Diego's home Field is big enough,Cowboy Stadium in Dallas?,Hawaii?